International Darwin, Australia: Preparing For a War With China?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-67166799

When Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese meets US President Joe Biden in Washington this week, deterring an assertive China will be on the agenda. At home, Darwin - a city key to the US-led defence alliance in the Pacific - will be watching.

War first came to Australia's shores on a Thursday morning in 1942, when 188 Japanese aircraft appeared over the centre of Darwin.

Bombs rained down on the coast, spraying red dirt and shrouding the turquoise harbour in smoke and fire. The two air raids nearly flattened the town, killing at least 230 people.

That day - 19 February - was a precursor to some 200 raids across northern Australia, but it remains the deadliest attack on the country.

Eighty years on, Darwin is a laid-back holiday spot that bears few visible scars of war. But there are simmering fears that this city may find itself in the crosshairs of a global conflict again.

Home to several key military bases which could prove crucial in any clash with China, Darwin is at the heart of deepening ties between Canberra and Washington, and the focus of massive investment from both governments.

But while American interest is reassuring for those who are wary of Beijing's power, there is alarm for some who worry it makes their home a target.

"You're inviting conflict," says local Billee McGinley, part of the Top End Peace Alliance, a local activist group. On a recent October afternoon, the group took turns sharing their concerns in the shadow of the city's war memorial Cenotaph.

"We feel like a sacrifice," she says.

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Though there's differing opinions on the likelihood of a conflict with China, they're worried the build-up won't deter Beijing, but rather escalate tensions. They fear the US presence in Darwin could pressure Australia into a war it simply shouldn't be involved in, and make their city a target.

"If you position yourself as neutral and peaceful, it would be a war crime to come here," Ms McGinley says.

She's so terrified about Darwin's future she's considering her family's place in it: "It's definitely a consideration, with a young daughter, whether I stay here or not."

There are more immediate concerns too. In recent months, a US marine has been charged with rape and an American Osprey helicopter crashed and exploded near a school. And there's the impact these expanding bases - and any potential attack - could have on the Aboriginal cultural heritage and natural beauty the NT is known for.

Because so few people live in the NT, it is treated as "expendable", says Diana Rickard, who runs the Top End Peace Alliance.

"This has always been considered the wasteland… it still is," she adds.

"The risks and impacts and threats are externalised onto people that live here. But any kind of perceived benefit... is for people elsewhere," Naish Gawen, another local, says.


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Thoughts from our Australian friends?

Is this hyperbole or a legitimate prospect?
 
We're certainly building up for the prospect of a war with China. We have close economic ties but the CCP is an unpredictable child that throws temper tantrums, enforces economic coercion for perceived slights and the occasional military posturing quote from some underling doesn't particularly help either.

Straw that broke the camels back for most Australians was the response to our Prime Minister saying there should be an internationally led investigation into covid. CCP took that as a slight and imposed a massive wave of trade restrictions targeting a vast array of our exports.

Truth is we've known what they are for a while and they've basically been perceived as our largest threat for well over a decade. 2009, under Rudd was when we basically came out and said it publicly.



Will war come to our shores? Doubtful.
We ain't starting shit with China so if a war happens it's a coalition war led by America. Who curb stomps China. Plus there's a few countries with substantially larger populations than ours between us.

China's own estimates are that military parity with America is 3 decades away (their estimates) so they aren't starting shit for a while.

I'm not against the spending but the focus of preventing a war with China should be done economically. Just find other countries with low PPP that aren't pieces of shit and look to build economic ties with them. Need America to lead the charge there though.
 
I feel like people been saying this for years. It’s not going to happen. China wants to be around for a long time and they’re finally enjoying middle class lifestyles. I don’t think they jeopardize that by pissing off all their citizens. Chinese people mostly put up with their government because they have jobs and see their lives as improvements over their own parents and grandparents
 
That's big ass poser shit

China does'nt want war
Plus Aus does'nt need to "prepare"*, as war scenario would automatically instantly involve USA and UK (and even USA alone would be enough)

All Aus needs is take firm stance to don't let China try random bullying shit on sea, but that's about it
Two countries flexing, next move would be chinese escalation but China would not do it, so nothing will happen

Money is the field where shit can happen, war not so much


*of course every country should consider scenario where it have to defend itself
 
Indonesia and Australia aren't exactly friends. In addition, China and Indonesia have been cozying up to each other for the past few years. I'm not sure if Australian warships can reach South China Sea without the Chinese being tipped off. Nothing worse than sailing into right into a trap.
 
What's the last country China has invaded or started a war with? They are far less aggressive than the U.S.

Right?

I love how news in North America always makes China out to be some super aggressive country every time they do something.

"Omg, did you see what China did? They loaned an African country money for infrastructure! Those terrorists! They're trying to start world war 3! What if those loans don't get paid back! They may get collateral!"

Meanwhile, how many governments has the U.S. toppled just for the sake of a few billionaires? The funny part is it's supported by everyday Americans, whom don't even see any of the benefit of these regime changes.
 
Right?

I love how news in North America always makes China out to be some super aggressive country every time they do something.

"Omg, did you see what China did? They loaned an African country money for infrastructure! Those terrorists! They're trying to start world war 3! What if those loans don't get paid back! They may get collateral!"

Meanwhile, how many governments has the U.S. toppled just for the sake of a few billionaires? The funny part is it's supported by everyday Americans, whom don't even see any of the benefit of these regime changes.
What benefits, the countries are left worse, way worse.
 
What benefits, the countries are left worse, way worse.

I meant the American people, in terms of the billions the MIC and oil companies make rampaging around the Middle East. The average American gets very little benefit from any of that, if at all. Of course, it goes without saying, the countries they invade are definitely left way worse than before.
 
Right?

I love how news in North America always makes China out to be some super aggressive country every time they do something.

"Omg, did you see what China did? They loaned an African country money for infrastructure! Those terrorists! They're trying to start world war 3! What if those loans don't get paid back! They may get collateral!"

Meanwhile, how many governments has the U.S. toppled just for the sake of a few billionaires? The funny part is it's supported by everyday Americans, whom don't even see any of the benefit of these regime changes.

1979 in Vietnam was the last major offensive by China, I think.

https://www.usip.org/publications/2...riphery, China has,it invaded Vietnam in 1979.

This a good article called "China is not Russia, Taiwan is not Ukraine".
 
Maybe not a direct conflict but we are definitely in a war with them economically, at least for the time being. Hell, every country is at war with each other economically.

China and future India are a threat.
 
1979 in Vietnam was the last major offensive by China, I think.

https://www.usip.org/publications/2022/03/china-not-russia-taiwan-not-ukraine#:~:text=Around its periphery, China has,it invaded Vietnam in 1979.

This a good article called "China is not Russia, Taiwan is not Ukraine".

There's a big distinction. The Soviet Union dissolved and Russia formally recognized Ukraine as a sovereign country. They signed a treaty over it. Their decision to invade violates their own treaty.

The Taiwan government are the losers of the Chinese civil war who fled to an island. At the time China lacked the naval capacity to take the island and for diplomatic reasons they have avoided doing so since then. However they have always considered Taiwan as part of their territory. The UN doesn't even recognize it as a sovereign country.

Putin has no credibility to lay claim to Ukraine. China actually does when it comes to Taiwan, and has avoiding doing "military exercises" to maintain diplomatic relations.
 
China isn't going to start a war they can't win, they're not stupid. They'll just sit back and watch the West economically and culturally collapse over the next 20 years and they'll attain victory without lifting a finger.
 
We're certainly building up for the prospect of a war with China. We have close economic ties but the CCP is an unpredictable child that throws temper tantrums, enforces economic coercion for perceived slights and the occasional military posturing quote from some underling doesn't particularly help either.

Straw that broke the camels back for most Australians was the response to our Prime Minister saying there should be an internationally led investigation into covid. CCP took that as a slight and imposed a massive wave of trade restrictions targeting a vast array of our exports.

Truth is we've known what they are for a while and they've basically been perceived as our largest threat for well over a decade. 2009, under Rudd was when we basically came out and said it publicly.



Will war come to our shores? Doubtful.
We ain't starting shit with China so if a war happens it's a coalition war led by America. Who curb stomps China. Plus there's a few countries with substantially larger populations than ours between us.

China's own estimates are that military parity with America is 3 decades away (their estimates) so they aren't starting shit for a while.

I'm not against the spending but the focus of preventing a war with China should be done economically. Just find other countries with low PPP that aren't pieces of shit and look to build economic ties with them. Need America to lead the charge there though.
The one reality is that China will benefit if will annex Australia via soft power or via annexion because Australia does have damn a lot of natural resources.

Today they still are earning not lesser money from trade with Australia than from trade with Russia.
Also China needs commodities so today can't afford to invade Australia.
While if they will do, except to be Ukraine No3 ....with help from " friends " and partners.
Sad Realpolitik.
 
China isn't going to start a war they can't win, they're not stupid. They'll just sit back and watch the West economically and culturally collapse over the next 20 years and they'll attain victory without lifting a finger.

I mean it's not like their economy is booming right now either. They are having issues with their economy as well. Doesn't help that Xi has basically instilled the fear of god into everyone. He's going to end up just like Putin with everyone telling him what he wants to hear instead of telling him about the problems that need to be fixed.
 
I mean it's not like their economy is booming right now either. They are having issues with their economy as well. Doesn't help that Xi has basically instilled the fear of god into everyone. He's going to end up just like Putin with everyone telling him what he wants to hear instead of telling him about the problems that need to be fixed.
They have issues but they're not sabotaging themselves out of either sheer stupidity or malice like the West is.
 
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