Cleveland Indians will change logo, says it's racist and offensive

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  1. Rimbaud82

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  2. Rimbaud82

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    They are too in to their cricket to watch baseball I am sure.
     
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    There are gaping multi-decade holes in your timeline, and temporal diction holds no bearing on the nuts and bolts of the argument in front of you.
    That term isn't racist-- you need go right now and educate yourself on what that term actually means. Furthermore, they used a great many terms during that time which both are and are not current today. This is an asinine exhibition of conflation as correlation.
    Scientists and writers are being politically sensitive. None of the "native Americans" were native to this continent, some had separate origins/ancestries, and there's a possibility the dominant group that originally crossed the Bering Sea weren't even the first people here.

    I know: history and truth are an inconvenience to the SJW agenda.
     
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    Madmick Scholar of Taghaza Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    The great political philosophy of appeasement.

    This is weakness, and it leads to ruin.
     
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    Makani Ain't Nobody Ever Been Free

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    Lol, just get out of drama class? It leads to ruin? It sounds like democracy to me. Isn't leaving Wahoo the same just appeasing the butthurt white people who's self-worth is tied to some baseball game they attended in 1973? Sounds pretty weak to me.
     
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    Madmick Scholar of Taghaza Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    What about this was "democratic"?
     
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    Makani Ain't Nobody Ever Been Free

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    Some people really wanted it changed, some people thought it was an a good idea (i.e. Remedy, Revo, and I, who are definitely not SJWs or whatever), the vast majority don't care, and some are strongly against it. Net result, more people are happy if it is changed, in my opinion. I won't lose or gain a wink of sleep, to be honest, but it's nice imagining someone out there is happier.

    If you don't buy that as democracy, how about the business aspect? The Indians organization made a decision to protect their brand (and probably to try reinvigorate themselves with a rebranding). Do you think they didn't crunch some numbers and do research? It's cynical, sure, but it's their right, and it means they thought this puts them in a positive light, which it does.

    What's your objection again? Something about changing baseball logos turning America into Mad Max in the future?
     
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    PUO3 You are a can. Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I dont really care one way or the other, Im just wondering at what point are folks not offended by everything.

    Should Bama and NC drop their names due to the Confederate history?
     
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    So are you saying in order to be called native, one's ancestors need to have sprung from the earth they live on like trees?
     
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    Madmick Scholar of Taghaza Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Concession accepted. This has nothing to do with Democracy. Don't lazily invoke that when somebody points out an attitude of appeasement.
    I'm pointing out that the "Native Americans" aren't Native. I haven't, but I'll also point out now that they don't enjoy any divine claim to the land, and that individual tribes maintained control of their respective lands (against other "Native Americans", typically) by the exact same mechanism that whites & other non-natives control it now: martial dominance.

    I'm also referencing the possibility of the Polynesian theory.
     
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    lmao @ the butthurt from the people who don't want it removed. Too fucking funny.
     
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    LMAO at “leads to ruin” brace yourselves guys, chief wahoo is the beginning of the apocalypse.
     
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    The Tampa Bay Devil Rays changed to the Rays a few years back under pressure from Evangelicals and other Christian groups. I don't remember the outrage and calls of 'weakness leading to ruin' at the time. No one cared.
     
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    I need to pick up a couple Indians hats this year and them sell them in another 10 years.
     
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    Lol this. Really can't understand how it's even a debate
     
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    Rofl at “the darkies”
     
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    uh yeah, you made that clear before that you dont believe native americans are native. I was asking because i wanted to hear more on how you qualify being native.
     
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    Dont care its removed or not. Im just genuinely curious at what point is everything not offensive.
     

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