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If UFC pays fighters when their opponent pulls out, no fighter will ever accept a replacement fight again.
Why?
If UFC pays fighters when their opponent pulls out, no fighter will ever accept a replacement fight again.
So? The UFC is the one failing to deliver their agreed upon deal with the fighter. How about fighters stop training before fights? Because it costs money that they aren't guarunteed to get revenue to cover? How will the sport be then?If UFC pays fighters when their opponent pulls out, no fighter will ever accept a replacement fight again.
Not always true. Look at the deals guys coming over from strikeforce or Bellator have gotten. You have to be willing to use free agency to raise your asking price, and exploit the limited free market that exists.Unless you are the champ or sell 700k+ ppvs, the managers have very little power and pretty much just take what the ufc gives.
I said almost all of this earlier in the thread except for the boxing comparison
The reason boxing and MMA isn't comparable is there is no dominant boxing organization. The UFC has made the brand bigger than the athlete. They should have fought against that harder, like boxers did but they didn't and that fight has for all intents and purposes been lost. Unionizing is the most intelligent course of action to combat that at this point
Easy to say when you're not the one running the business.There are ways around it. WME needs to just start treating this like an MMA organization instead of a circus show. Sounds like rich problems. Phukk WME. I'd rather they take a blow and the fighters are taken care of.
its almost like he's never heard of Dana White before.Normally I stand with the fighter, but Ortega just refused a couple of fights that made sense. So f*ck this dude. Good move from Dana.
How these guys haven't started negotiating that into their contracts is beyond me
First off not understanding how business works doesn't put you on some moral high ground. If you think every fighter that tries to negotiate gets cut or told to fuck off, well you're wrong. Simple as that. Guys coming over from Bellator or strikeforce as champs or top contenders there were not getting standard contracts. Well known fighters that made their name in the ufc aren't settling for lowball contracts when they renegotiate.Yes bro.... A fucking a contender who is dependent on the UFC, is gonna strong arm the Biggest/Best Promotion in MMA by demanding things on a contract, that can easily hype up someone else to be a contender and fuck over Ortega.
I mean, we all know how Dana, Loves people who ask for too much...He never ever fucks them over after.
Wow you people are fucking delusional lol.
Brian Ortega isn't fucking Conor/Brock/Ronda/etc to be asking for pay money incase a fighter drops out....He isn't on that fucking level at all.
If he tries that shit, the fight might of never taken place because Dana/UFC want complete control...Thus he would be fucked.
You people literally have no common sense....Fucking corporate cucks!
That’s true. Alvarez and reem are good examples of that.Not always true. Look at the deals guys coming over from strikeforce or Bellator have gotten. You have to be willing to use free agency to raise your asking price, and exploit the limited free market that exists.
LOL You think that the UFC is just going to agree to that stipulation, especially now that WME is cutting as many costs as possible?
Any fighter who asks for guaranteed money would just get stonewalled and be forced to sit on the shelf until they accepted the UFC's terms.
They only way that they can improve the terms of employment is with collective action.
Easy to say when you're not the one running the business.
It may seem intelligent on the surface but until the question of whether or not UFC fighters are employees or independent contractors is fully addressed it can't happen. Right now the UFC defines the fighters as independent contractors. Essentially 500 plus little independent companies. Except they aren't as the UFC levels all kinds of restrictions on them that you could never do with true independent contractors
Also a union only works if they get every single fighter under contract to join. This isn't the 1920's, creating a union today is a very complex issue. In the states the employee free choice act still hasn't been passed (and likely won't under trump)
The US actually has one of the lowest union membership rates per capita of major countries in the world and declining rapidly.
When they didn’t have a replacement... this was 2 days before weigh ins and he had two opponent choices and turned them down. That’s called two opportunities to go to work.Makes sense but Dana has paid guys in the past that had an opponent pull out late.