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[The Diplomat]

Whether you want to believe this or not, EDUCATION is the key.

...and that would encompass teaching kids how to take care of themselves physically and mentally.

The USA is a dumb as fuck country; this cannot be disputed.

The USA is also unhealthy, unhealthy...unhealthy.

...and unhealthy people tend to be miserable...and unhappy...and and and.

But please note, this is all a generalization, however...things can only IMPROVE via a REAL public education system...that obviously focuses on EARLY CHILDHOOD education.

Now, am I asserting that money should be thrown at the problem...of course not.

...but the curriculum must be completely changed.

All the while, healthcare should be suitable for MOST people...not just the rich.

And yes, not having a public option is RIDICULOUS, but...the plan that Trump's team has an alternate is garbage too.

It could all be seen as cyclical for why the US is unhealthy, not forgetting personal choice. For the most part, unhealthy food is cheap, and abundant. Abundant is good for impulsive people. There's a McDs or other restaurant every other corner. Cheap is good for poor people. You actually have to pay more for "organic" and shit. Then it goes back to why are there so many poor fat bastards, economics and personal choice. The fact that "fat/body shaming" is an actual term, and there are movements dedicated to it, should show you that a lot of people are totally fine with unhealthy lifestyles.

I wouldn't say the US is dumb as fuck, we've done pretty well for ourselves as far as technological achievements and economic and military strength goes. You can't be stupid and incapable of losing a war at the same time, nor be stupid and also be a "must have" business partner. But we also have complicated demographics, large land and a lot of people. One state could be doing better than another, but it's all encompassed as "Amurika".

I do agree that things need to change, but being idealistic isn't always going to fix things.

 

[HomerThompson]

are supposed to just accept the growing trend of those on social aid?

I mean are we socialist or not? personal accountability is a thing in the US, we're not Europe

Show me the growing trend. Facts and data please, not your feelings.

 

[HomerThompson]

We could throw more money and inflate the dollar even worse, raise taxes and crunch the middle class even moreso, but I don't know if that's going to solve all of our problems. We've been trying to combat global warming and bad education for years, throwing a lot of money at the problem, and where are we now?

Data for inflation?

 

[The Diplomat]

Bro.........

We defeated inflation already.

We just make pretend it doesn't happen to our money and everyone believes us. We've printed more money in the past 20 years than like the entire human history and inflation is very minor considering the rate of capital growth.

This may be a joke, but I always viewed monetary situations as slightly comical because in the end, it IS something we created. A dollar bill is not inherently valuable unless we say it is, and then we decide how much it's worth. So we create a lot of them and then all of a sudden, our country goes into an economic depression because we decide that it's bad. The stock market is entirely based on faith and optimism.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

Well, it's a mixed bag of reasons and whys. We were built up as the greatest nation on the planet in the 50's because one guy could support a family and have a decent living by working hard, and then at the end of your life you get retirement/social security/etc. Now that seems like a joke unless you're either lucky and got a great job, were born into it - or you truly worked hard and got ahead, but the competition pool is so insane that obviously darwinism will take effect, but it's not always the best and brightest who get the job, it's usually who knows who.

We haven't really been a true capitalist nation for generations. There is always some kind of subsidy, etc. for those in need. Another portion of this is our population - and not to switch gears, but I couldn't see how someone can complain about overpopulated families on welfare and NOT be in favor of the option of abortion.

seriously, it was the second world war/korea and the Servicemen's Readjustment Act or GI BIll that truly caused that.

15M vets came home, were allowed to go to school (very unlikely prior to the war) or buy a house for a dollar down which was then passed on to the next generation. Clearly the pull of labor unions and the fact more occupations had pensions helps, but it was really that policy that created the US middle class

As the armed forces were not fully integrated yet, this also explains why it was mostly white people that benefitted from this as well

 

[HomerThompson]

More money in the pocket of the American taxpayer is rarely a bad thing.

But derp derp it's Drumph did it so derp derp

Wow. Such analysis. So insightful. Amaze.

 

[The Big Bang]

It could all be seen as cyclical for why the US is unhealthy, not forgetting personal choice. For the most part, unhealthy food is cheap, and abundant. Abundant is good for impulsive people. There's a McDs or other restaurant every other corner. Cheap is good for poor people. You actually have to pay more for "organic" and shit. Then it goes back to why are there so many poor fat bastards, economics and personal choice. The fact that "fat/body shaming" is an actual term, and there are movements dedicated to it, should show you that a lot of people are totally fine with unhealthy lifestyles.

I wouldn't say the US is dumb as fuck, we've done pretty well for ourselves as far as technological achievements and economic and military strength goes. You can't be stupid and incapable of losing a war at the same time, nor be stupid and also be a "must have" business partner. But we also have complicated demographics, large land and a lot of people. One state could be doing better than another, but it's all encompassed as "Amurika".

I do agree that things need to change, but being idealistic isn't always going to fix things.

OMG.

You have it backwards.

There is collusion betwixt the government, the "healthcare" industry and SCHOOLS for example.

Cafeteria food is indeed DIRT CHEAP...(literally) but it's a true sin to fee that to kids.

Also, there are poor people who DON'T eat shit by the way.

Americans are so fucking dumb/lazy/mindless that putting measures in place to guide them in a better direction would in fact do an endless amount of good.

And I'm not being idealistic.

You tell me, are you proud of our public education system??

Of course you aren't.

Actually...I bet you're repulsed by it...amirite?

It would take MANY years to yield world changing results (from changing the system) but...there are no short term solutions...

...sadly, people don't want to wait.

Very........sadly.

 

[HomerThompson]

tax cuts for the wealthy have to come from somewhere, how is a man supposed to comfortably buy his 3rd Porsche if some of his taxes are paying for medical care for children in poverty?

I hadn't really considered this. That poor man! His plight must be recognized.

 

[Rational Poster]

seriously, it was the second world war/korea and the Servicemen's Readjustment Act or GI BIll that truly caused that.

15M vets came home, were allowed to go to school (very unlikely prior to the war) or buy a house for a dollar down which was then passed on to the next generation. Clearly the pull of labor unions and the fact more occupations had pensions helps, but it was really that policy that created the US middle class

As the armed forces were not fully integrated yet, this also explains why it was mostly white people that benefitted from this as well

So you agree that social welfare is a good thing.

Glad we can agree.

 

[The Diplomat]

Data for inflation?

What I meant was, we could just create more money and throw it at the problem, but what would it actually solve if that's basically what we've been doing for awhile?

 

[ShoelessRye]

Excellent. Trump believes in personal accountability.

Is he advocating chancing the bankruptcy laws?

 

[Anung Un Rama]

are supposed to just accept the growing trend of those on social aid?

I mean are we socialist or not? personal accountability is a thing for the poor in the US, we're an oligarchy after all.

ftfy

 

[MarloStanfield]

I agree, but that's largely the service sector and unskilled labor that will be effected.

At a certain pt, people need to accept that there are going to be natural selection's victims. Social Darwinism as it were. Propagating and perpetuating the cycle of poverty, IMO, does fine to gain votes for the left but it does absolutely nothing about addressing why these adults can't pay for their own offspring or plan for retirement properly.
With the lack of pensions/union pull in today's economy, it's only going to be worse when we all get older. So we either become Socialist or quasi like the Nordic systems (which peep their tax rates and get back to me about how many American's will be cool with 40%+ income tax and 18%+ VAT/sales tax) or we have to start cutting these people off and teach them to have accountability or fend for themselves.

This is an unsustainable system, that's only getting exponentially worse

cool and we'll run through your joint and take what ever we want while youre running for dear life

 

[Fedorable]

this is a good thing.

 

[HomerThompson]

What I meant was, we could just create more money and throw it at the problem, but what would it actually solve if that's basically what we've been doing for awhile?

That's not what we've been doing though. We're just distributing the wealth created by our society in an incredibly uneven fashion.

We still don't have anything approaching universal healthcare, which would cost far less overall than our current health care system. What we have is CEO's making 400x average worker pay instead of 30x like it was until the 70's. We have an increasingly regressive tax system, and actually less help for the poor and disabled. Clinton slashed welfare as President. Etc., etc.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

Show me the growing trend. Facts and data please, not your feelings.

are you being serious?
or are you seriously asking so you can blame the absurd spending under Obama on the Recovery?
In 2013, according to the Census Bureau, there were 105,862,000 full-time year-round workers in the United States -- including 16,685,000 full-time government workers. These full-time workers were outnumbered by the 109,631,000 whom the Census Bureau says were getting benefits from means-tested federal programs -- e.g. welfare -- as of the fourth quarter of 2012

 

[HomerThompson]

are you being serious?
or are you seriously asking so you can blame the absurd spending under Obama on the Recovery?
In 2013, according to the Census Bureau, there were 105,862,000 full-time year-round workers in the United States -- including 16,685,000 full-time government workers. These full-time workers were outnumbered by the 109,631,000 whom the Census Bureau says were getting benefits from means-tested federal programs -- e.g. welfare -- as of the fourth quarter of 2012

So, you don't actually understand what you said, or my response. Show me a drastic increase in social welfare spending over time. Start in the 70's. I'll wait.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Trump's new budget is a fucking disaster for this country. Literally everything gets cuts ecpet for the military and homeland security. Disgusting.

Department of State and Foreign Aid a 29.1% decrease from 2017 to 2018.

EPA decreased by 31.4% from 2017 to 2018.

$800 billion gone from Medicaid

Cuts to SSI for disabilities

Etc.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/23/politics/trump-budget-cuts-programs/index.html

Fuck the state department and foreign aid.

The rest is a problem, especially the Medicare and SS cuts.

Let's see if our friendly corporate media does its job, and let's every elderly American in this country, know exactly what trump is doing.

HEY RIGHTIES! PAY ATTENTION!

liberals can build a shrine to Osama bin laden, and you will not be saved from the avalanche of a wave election that will sweep republicans out of office for going after SS and medicare.

 

[The Diplomat]

seriously, it was the second world war/korea and the Servicemen's Readjustment Act or GI BIll that truly caused that.

15M vets came home, were allowed to go to school (very unlikely prior to the war) or buy a house for a dollar down which was then passed on to the next generation. Clearly the pull of labor unions and the fact more occupations had pensions helps, but it was really that policy that created the US middle class

As the armed forces were not fully integrated yet, this also explains why it was mostly white people that benefitted from this as well

Which also begs to question how we had almost unlimited money after WW2 and during the Korean wars, and why it was expected of the next few generations to pay for it.

I always figured that a lot of our good social welfare net policies were well intentioned, but also were created to be reformed every few years to adapt to the economic climate change. Some of our policies haven't been touched in over 30 years.

 

[The Diplomat]

cool and we'll run through your joint and take what ever we want while youre running for dear life

Marlo being Marlo. This could be good for the hoodrats of West Baltimore.