You do realize Jake use to teach at Fairtex Muay Thai San Francisco? The main Fairtex gym when it was in America.. As did Gilbert. Diaz bros, Faber, Castillo, Terrell, Irvin, Cariaso, JB, Smith, etc etc.. use to train there along side Jake.. hence TAM, Fight and Fitness, Diaz Academy, CSA, KOA, and El Nino have the old Fairtex trainers, teaching. All of those men actually have very very good Thai Boxing skill set in a Muay Thai fight, but don't use the skill set much, beside Irvin, JB and Cariaso, being the others use a more "grapple heavy" initially or "boxing style" first, in mma.Shields a striker? LOL!! that fight "IF" would stay on the feet would look like Ronda sparring boxing with another Ronda...shit
Its relevent because TS asked about their prime.. yet this video is from that time, being Ben use to train with Cesars at times.. which is well known to anybody who's been around mma for awhile.This video is soooo old that it's totally irrelevant,not that rolling is super relevant anyway.As for the fight who gives a shit unless it's happening which it isn't.
There was a video of them grappling together and Shields was making Askren work and pretzeling him.
If I can find it I'll post it.
Anyway...this wouldn't be a ground fight. I don't believe Askren would want it there and Jake would have the hardest time taking him down.
Its relevent because TS asked about their prime.. yet this video is from that time, being Ben use to train with Cesars at times.. which is well known to anybody who's been around mma for awhile.
Shields by being far superior striker. And great scrambler.
Fitch and shields tie for 3rd....Prime Shields is a top 3 all-time Welterweight for sure, but it's a tough matchup stylistically. Would probably favor Shields though.
Shields has 10x the resume of Fitch.Fitch and shields tie for 3rd....
At least in training he'd subbed Askren wherever he wanted while Askren couldn't do the same.
You think Askren would finish Shields? How?Did you see GSP vs Sheilds?
Kinda like that, except Askren likely gets the finish.
Srsly? Askren Diaz would be one of the most uncompetitive fights ever, as a stiff wind takes Nick down.Askren is pretty solid and takes Shields any day. The real questions are:
Askren vs Diaz.
Askren would smash the life out of Garcia in an MMA fight. People look at video of Askren, a wrestler playfully rolling with BJJ guys and say "he would get beat by these guys in MMA since they are subbing him in their sport". This is as silly as those that think Mayweather would beat Conor in MMA, since he beat him in boxing. Heck, even Khabib lost a grappling match to some journeyman BJJ blackbelt, as it is simply a different sport, there is no punching and there are different rules with different skillsets translating differently to the different sports.The correct answer is Marcelo Garcia.
Askren would smash the life out of Garcia in an MMA fight. People look at video of Askren, a wrestler playfully rolling with BJJ guys and say "he would get beat by these guys in MMA since they are subbing him in their sport". This is as silly as those that think Mayweather would beat Conor in MMA, since he beat him in boxing. Heck, even Khabib lost a grappling match to some journeyman BJJ blackbelt, as it is simply a different sport, there is no punching and there are different rules with different skillsets translating differently to the different sports.