International [Arab-Israeli Conflict, v4] Israel Sets Goal of Doubling the Jewish Population on the Golan Heights

[Seaside]

Blah, blah, blah... have you looked at the map you have latched onto yet?

Has Jerusalem ever been recognized by the international community as part of Israel?

i dont know what you talking about. I am not going to waste my time. I dont care what the muslim world thinks they are bias against jews and christians and are almost 25% of voting power. But early on many latin american countries had there embassys in jerusalem and only took them out in the 1970s after arab supremacst pressure and the wars that arab sunnis started.

 

[abiG]

i dont know what you talking about.

EXACTLY!

Later.

 

[Seaside]

EXACTLY!

Later.

you go on my ignore list because all you preach is trolling and islamic supremacist lies.

 

[Phr3121]

Jerusalem was never even part of Israel...

Yes it was. Are you bi-polar or borderline personality disorder? Israel captured East Jerusalem from Jordan during the 1967 Six-Day War and subsequently annexed it into Jerusalem, together with additional surrounding territory. One of Israel's Basic Laws, the 1980 Jerusalem Law, refers to Jerusalem as the country's undivided capital.

Jerusalem, it is called the sacred city of God by the Jews. In the time of Abraham of old, the city was called 'Salem'. In the era of David, the psalmist, it was called 'Zion'.

 

[Islam Imamate]

sure that muslims never do that to muslim women!! lol at acting like the issue is random killing by Israel againsts ínnocent´´ muslims. I seen the videos people setting shit on fire and teh same types that want sharia law. Breaking through fence screaming allah akbar and kill jews, kite bombs, throwing grenades.

Their holy books, and the polls do not lie those populations and radicalized by their own religion.

Okay but what do you think of the fact that this young paramedic was killed?

 

[Seaside]

Okay but what do you think of the fact that this young paramedic was killed?

oh bad. would not be surprised if whoever pulled trigger just filled with anger and maybe it happened because that. The reason i mention other stuff though is because i know this even tbe used by some to try paint Israel as bad guy who need open borders. Personally i think if the sunni arabs around them stopped being so supremacist they could of given palestinians country many years ago.

I think sinai and gaza should become 1 ´palestinian´state and the west bank palestinians should be paid and compenstated money to move to Jordan and that be their other state. Most would move i read like 1/3 of them want to move. And yes ideally two jewish states would have been created 1 in germany, and even before holocaust the british basically created or allowed for jewish homeland in the land they owned but the catch was that they and arabs must get along. That did not work violence on both sides but after the UN thing 1 side disproortinately escalated things by running to their big brothers to get their help to wipe out the jews. They lost and have ever sense then in my opinion been about ethnic and islamic supremacist conquest of the entire region. I also blame their intollerance as to why no palestinian state was created in west bank for 20 years when under jordan control.

 

[abiG]

Yes it was. Are you bi-polar or borderline personality disorder? Israel captured East Jerusalem from Jordan during the 1967 Six-Day War and subsequently annexed it into Jerusalem, together with additional surrounding territory. One of Israel's Basic Laws, the 1980 Jerusalem Law, refers to Jerusalem as the country's undivided capital.

You are describing a war crime. The international community has only gone as far as Corpus separatum.

Corpus separatum (Latin for "separated body") is a term used to describe the Jerusalem area in the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_separatum_(Jerusalem)

This is day one stuff, but maybe now you people can start to see what is happening there.

Jerusalem, it is called the sacred city of God by the Jews. In the time of Abraham of old, the city was called 'Salem'. In the era of David, the psalmist, it was called 'Zion'.

Focus, this isn't bible class, we are dealing strictly here with international law. The constant conflation of 'biblical Israel' with the modern terrorist state in Palestine serves no purpose, but to obfuscate rather than shine light on the real issues we face.

 

[Phr3121]

Focus, this isn't bible class, we are dealing strictly here with international law. The constant conflation of 'biblical Israel' with the modern terrorist state in Palestine serves no purpose, but to obfuscate rather than shine light on the real issues we face.

Oh, please. You have lost your mind. The whole reason Israel exists today is because of a Jewish homeland stated in the Hebrew bible. It has everything to do with religion. How many other countries use a religious symbol in their flag? The 'Star of David'. If this was not the case, why not have Israel somewhere in Northern Africa, Canada, Russia, Australia or China?

 

[abiG]

Oh, please. You have lost your mind. The whole reason Israel exists today is because of a Jewish homeland stated in the Hebrew bible.

The zioists twisted this shit, but Jews, Christians and Muslims all believe otherwise (but for some delusional evangelicals).

And again, none of this is binding in any international court worth a shit. In other words, believing that God is in the real estate business is one thing, but using the bible as a land deed in a courtroom is a totally different animal.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

A Woman Dedicated to Saving Lives Loses Hers in Gaza Violence



What a fuck up on the part of the Israelis. Another article I read on her death suggests that when she was shot she was trying to rescue protestors who are choking from tear gas so its very possible they didn't shoot her intentionally despite the fact that she was wearing her paramedic uniform. But that doesn't make it too much better, dumping a bunch of tear gas on protesters and then blindly firing into them doesn't strike me as ethical.

Ya they fucked up, with their military budget I don't know why they're still using tear gas.

 

[Arkain2K]

Kuwait blocks US statement condemning Hamas at UN Security Council
The Arab state is sponsoring a draft resolution that calls for protection for "Palestinian people" instead
Joyce Karam | May 31, 2018

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The United Nations Security Council failed on Wednesday to agree on a statement that condemns the Palestinian group Hamas, with Kuwait blocking a US draft that slams the militant group for firing a barrage of rockets into Israel on Tuesday.

US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley voiced disappointment over the council’s failure to adopt the statement, calling the inaction “outrageous” and describing the UN body as “disconnected”.

"Who among us would accept 70 rockets launched into your country?" she asked at an emergency session requested by the US to discuss the barrage of rocket attacks into Israel.

Calling the response of Israel by carrying air strikes as “inevitable” and “part of self defence”, Ms Haley said the people of Gaza “need protection from Hamas ... not from an external force”.

Both the UK and France condemned the mortar attacks from Gaza, and warned of further escalation that would put Gaza on the “brink of war” and carry regional implications. They also condemned the killing of dozens of Palestinian protesters by Israeli forces two weeks ago.

French representative Francois Delattre criticised the “disproportionate use of force” by Israel.

Speaking at the session, Kuwait’s representative Mansour Ayyad Al Otaibi did not mention the rocket attacks and instead condemned use of violence “by all sides”.

He criticised the Israeli occupation and blamed it as the reason behind the recent escalation. “Palestinians are the ones that deserve protection not the [Israeli] occupation power,” Mr Al Otaibi said.

Kuwait holds a non-permanent seat at the council for this cycle, and used a procedural measure to block the vote. The Arab state is also sponsoring a draft resolution that calls for protection for the Palestinian people.

https://www.thenational.ae/world/me...demning-hamas-at-un-security-council-1.735576

 

[Arkain2K]

 

[Islam Imamate]

Speaking at the session, Kuwait’s representative Mansour Ayyad Al Otaibi did not mention the rocket attacks and instead condemned use of violence “by all sides”.

 

[Islam Imamate]

oh bad.

Good

 

[Arkain2K]

Fun times at the United Nations, where draft resolutions are as fair-minded as most WR threads.

U.S. Vetoes Arabs' Resolution to condemn Israel, Fails on its Own Measure to condemn Hamas
By Rick Gladstone | June 1, 2018

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A bitter divide over who is to blame for scores of Palestinian deaths from Israeli fire at protests near Gaza’s border shifted Friday to the United Nations, where the United States vetoed a measure backed by Arab countries to protect Palestinians and condemn Israel.

Nikki R. Haley, the American ambassador to the United Nations, described the measure, a United Nations Security Council resolution drafted by Kuwait, as one-sided. She accused the measure’s authors of inexplicably absolving Hamas, the militant group that controls Gaza and organized the protests.

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A separate American resolution proposed by Ms. Haley, which would have condemned Hamas for the Gaza violence, failed to gain any support from fellow Council members.

Ms. Haley said the votes showed that the Security Council majority “was willing to blame Israel, but unwilling to blame Hamas, for violence in Gaza.”

“Further proof was not needed, but it is now completely clear that the U.N. is hopelessly biased against Israel,” she said in a statement.

Kuwait’s draft resolution condemned the use of “excessive, disproportionate and indiscriminate force by the Israeli forces against Palestinian civilians” and demanded a halt to such actions. It made no mention of Hamas, which Israel, the United States and several other countries consider a terrorist organization.

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In the vote for the American resolution, in which the United States was the sole yes vote, three members voted against it and 11 abstained.

A Security Council resolution requires a minimum of nine yes votes, with no vetoes by its permanent members, for passage.

The resolution by Kuwait, the only Arab member of the Security Council, called for the “consideration of measures to guarantee the safety and protection” of Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the Israeli-occupied West Bank, and for a halt to “the use of any excessive, disproportionate and indiscriminate force” by the Israeli military.

Ms. Haley, an outspoken supporter of Israel at the United Nations, called the draft a “grossly one-sided approach” that did not acknowledge any responsibility by Palestinian militants for the violence.

The United States, a permanent Security Council member with veto power, was the sole no vote on the measure, which was enough to defeat it. Ten members voted in favor and four abstained.

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The diplomatic jousting after the votes at the Security Council meeting displayed the yawning divide and dual narratives of the Israeli and Palestinian sides.

Riyad H. Mansour, the Palestinian ambassador, expressed thanks that the Kuwaiti resolution would have passed by a lopsided margin had it not been for the United States veto.

Addressing the measure’s supporters, Mr. Mansour said, “You have rejected the might-over-right strategy, sending a clear message that no one is exempt from the law — not even Israel.”

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Danny Danon, the Israeli ambassador, denounced Security Council members who he said had “stood in solidarity with the terrorists of Hamas” in supporting Kuwait’s resolution and rejecting the American one. “This double standard against Israel will not stand,” he said.

Addressing the Kuwait delegation and others who helped draft its resolution, Mr. Danon said: “You couldn’t bring yourself to mention Hamas even once. Don’t you know how to spell it?”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/01/world/middleeast/gaza-israel-palestinians-.html

 

[The Merchant]

Oh, please. You have lost your mind. The whole reason Israel exists today is because of a Jewish homeland stated in the Hebrew bible. It has everything to do with religion. How many other countries use a religious symbol in their flag? The 'Star of David'. If this was not the case, why not have Israel somewhere in Northern Africa, Canada, Russia, Australia or China?

Yeah and why would any rational person cite the Hebrew Bible.

Citing it in the modern era is somewhat ridiculous though.

If you want to believe the being that created the universe singled out a tiny bit of land in an obscure star system in the outer reaches of one of the billions of galaxies and then used the medium of a burning bush to talk to a guy who lived to 175 and said this is yours forever that's up to you. Don't cite it in debate though. You sound deranged.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Focus, this isn't bible class, we are dealing strictly here with international law. The constant conflation of 'biblical Israel' with the modern terrorist state in Palestine serves no purpose, but to obfuscate rather than shine light on the real issues we face.

This is true, ancient religious claims should really hold no claim to land in the modern world. The fact of the matter is that the British that won the land from the Ottomans supported a Jewish national home in Palestine with the Balfour Deceleration. Jews purchased land from 1918-1948 and the British passed the mandate to the UN which created Resolution 181. The 2 state solution passed with 33 votes in favor, 13 against, and 10 abstentions. The Arab rejection of the UN resolution and subsequent military attack is what caused most of the Arab land loss. This is what they could have had:

 

[cincymma79]

This is true, ancient religious claims should really hold no claim to land in the modern world. The fact of the matter is that the British that won the land from the Ottomans with the Balfour Deceleration supported a Jewish national home in Palestine. Jews purchased land from 1918-1948 and the British passed the mandate to the UN which created resolution 181. The 2 state solution passed with 33 votes in favor, 13 against, and 10 abstentions. The Arab rejection of the UN resolution and subsequent military attack is what caused most of the Arab land loss. This is what they could have had:

No. You don’t understand. Those are Jews were talking about. They can’t have any. You sound Zionist. There just saved you the response.

 

[tramendous]

No it is based on the claim the Palestinians are using to contest the land. The Palestinians claim to be the original peoples of that land and they have disputes for much of the land thru the entire M.E. held by Israel and many Arab Nations.

The Jews are one of the original Palestine peoples so if that claim is valid then the Jews have a part of that claim and since they only got a tiny sliver of the disputed lands that is fair.

if you want to throw that old historical claim out, then you do so for not just the Jews but all Palestinian peoples and therefore no one has a legit claim against the lands the Jews were given.

The palestinians were living in those lands within living memory. The jews have to go back 1000s of years for their claim. The area was under muslim rule for like a 1000 years and under Christian rule for hundreds. What makes you think those original palestinians didnt convert to islam/christianity?

You and i both know that the only claim that holds weight here is one of conquest. None of the other ones are valid. But if that is a valid claim then israel has to acknowledge that they were never wronged in the first place since its a legitimate way of acquiring land.

I also find this rocket attack that almost hurt someone hilarious. Israel is acting like they got nuked lol.

 

[Islam Imamate]

This is true, ancient religious claims should really hold no claim to land in the modern world. The fact of the matter is that the British that won the land from the Ottomans supported a Jewish national home in Palestine with the Balfour Deceleration. Jews purchased land from 1918-1948 and the British passed the mandate to the UN which created Resolution 181. The 2 state solution passed with 33 votes in favor, 13 against, and 10 abstentions. The Arab rejection of the UN resolution and subsequent military attack is what caused most of the Arab land loss. This is what they could have had:

Honestly even the original partition plan was bullshit. Look at that fucking map, does that look like a sustainable map to you? And besides, it awarded more than half the land to the Jews despite the fact that they were less than a third of the population of the mandate at the time. That's horseshit.