WTF Is Danzan Ryu Jujitsu?

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WTF is Danzan Ryu Jujitsu? So I'm looking for a MA school near my house, I go to a BJJ school I love, but the issue is that it's an hour from my house so I only go once a week. But I saw this place (http://www.coloradokodenkan.com/) on a Google search, it's about a walking distance from my house, but it could also be a place full of old men trying to be badasses? I'm just wanting to learn self-defense and some good throws, but does this school (from the website) look legit or some antiquated MA that's no longer effective?
 
As far as self defensy jujitsu goes it is one of the better ones.

Ask if they send guys to judo tournaments. If they do they are probably legit.
 
99% of the time it sucks. The other 1% of the time, you'd be better off doing Judo anyway.
 
Most of the techniques in DZR are fine, but it's the lack of randori that makes most dojos suck out loud. Plus, the whole healing arts/refinement of character/lack of randori tends to attract some smelly hippie types, not people who are actually interested in learning how to fight.
 
lts5025 said:
Most of the techniques in DZR are fine, but it's the lack of randori that makes most dojos suck out loud. Plus, the whole healing arts/refinement of character/lack of randori tends to attract some smelly hippie types, not people who are actually interested in learning how to fight.
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I have a hard time grasping why any martial art school would teach techniques but never want to put them in practice. Then wonder why they are disappearing.
 
There is a club near me so I researched it. Search it in Youtube for some nice laughs. Very Steven Seagal - esque staged fighting for their "competitions".
 
Edison Carasio said:
I have a hard time grasping why any martial art school would teach techniques but never want to put them in practice. Then wonder why they are disappearing.
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It's the Karate Kid's fault. He literally did not hit anyone until the tournament, when he was magically able to beat a bunch of hardcore karate guys who trained full contact all the time. Seriously, after that movie Daniel-san training was what people wanted and they got it, especially from TKD. Most guys I know who were doing karate before the 80s did full contact sparring all the time, even if it was point sparring it was full contact.

Thankfully MMA has restored the rightful order to the world where anyone with brain now knows that secret death touches don't beat athletic boxer/wrestlers with thousands of hours of cage time. But it takes a long time for that sort of thing to die out.
 
Edison Carasio said:
I have a hard time grasping why any martial art school would teach techniques but never want to put them in practice. Then wonder why they are disappearing.
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Simple, they don't want people injuring themselves or fear of losing them as customers or worse, getting sued.

People want to learn how to fight withiut

Okazaki was a Kodokan 3rd dan, so he undoubtedly knew the value of hard randori. By all accounts, his classes in Hawaii were pretty brutal.
 
I've trained with DZR guys on the West Coast and in Hawai'i, and they were legit. But then again, that's because most of them were judo players in addition to DZR, and they trained with full-bore randori. Their hybrid techniques were interesting, gave them their own style of judo (like how Tenri players have their own spin on things). When you played under their rules, they would do stuff like use finger and wrist locks to setup judo throws -- nasty stuff.

Seems like the overall practice is inconsistent from dojo-to-dojo from what I've heard though, so you'll just have to see if your local one is a bunch of "jus' scrap" types from Hawai'i or if they're a bunch of touchy-feely borderline Aikikai boys haha!
 
Harukaze said:
I've trained with DZR guys on the West Coast and in Hawai'i, and they were legit. But then again, that's because most of them were judo players in addition to DZR, and they trained with full-bore randori. Their hybrid techniques were interesting, gave them their own style of judo (like how Tenri players have their own spin on things). When you played under their rules, they would do stuff like use finger and wrist locks to setup judo throws -- nasty stuff.

Seems like the overall practice is inconsistent from dojo-to-dojo from what I've heard though, so you'll just have to see if your local one is a bunch of "jus' scrap" types from Hawai'i or if they're a bunch of touchy-feely borderline Aikikai boys haha!
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This is pretty much my experience. But you won't find many of the legit guys far from the islands.
 
I'd be wary of any school that teaches that their art is so lethal or dangerous that it can't be used in competitions because it will lead to injuries. It reminds me of those old martial arts magazines ads to "learn the ancient, lost, super-duper, ultra-lethal secret technique that will stop any aggressor in their tracks in 2 seconds flat" by just sending $29.95 for a VHS instruction tape.
 
When I roll BJJ, I actually use more submissions I learned in Silat than I did in BJJ. They never taught us how to fight in Silat, just a bunch of moves and information about fighting really.

When I started doing kick boxing and BJJ, after a long while, I started using a bunch of the Silat stuff.

Like it or not, TMA styles of self defense sometimes teach a LOT of technique and information on fighting. So much that you never really get good at any of it, but damn do you know a lot about it.

Sometimes, in MMA schools especially, people learn too little. People get just absolute tunnel vision trying to perfect a couple of things that they are missing easy opportunities.

I think that there is a lot of value in doing a self defense, non-combat martial art like jujitsu or krav along side your fight training, because it will expand your creativity on what it is possible, and when your reflexes get to a high level, you will start doing some of it.
 
I have a guy at my gym that did a few years of RJJ, and while he says that he has seen techniques transfer over, but for the most part looking back it was a joke. and trust me, he is not some tough guy running his mouth, he is a meek vegan engineer...
 
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