Wrestlers: what do you call this shot counter?

[Rip-Rabbo]

What do you call this counter to a shot?

The opponent shoots and you defend it, take hold of him around the belly, sit down while controlling his upper back under yourself, and roll him backwards over yourself. Obviously it helps if you can break the opponent's posture in the shot.

I'm not sure if this picture is of this particular technique, but it illustrates the position. Saitiev in blue executes.

I've seen some wrestlers do this even at a high level of competition. Any thoughts on this technique?

Thanks!

 

[DaRuckus337]

It works fine on double legs if you are caught off guard and it's too late to sprawl. I honestly have no idea what it's called, I just call it and teach it as your 'last line of defense roll.' The other option when you are caught with a shot this deep is an inside switch and butt scoot counter which I personally prefer, but they both work okay.

 

[Rory McDonell]

I've always called it an olympic lift, like what Karelin does in Greco. The only difference is that in freestyle the guy will always grab your leg, so you throw it from your butt like that.

Agree with DaRuckus, very much a last line of defence, although I've seen some guys that are able to get a high percentage of the time.

 

[Gaylon Cooper]

Instead of grabbing around the waist we would grab through the crotch. You would have a little better leverage.

 

[fishead]

Instead of grabbing around the waist we would grab through the crotch. You would have a little better leverage.

I was going to say... it looks similar to what we used to call a 'crotch lift'...

 

[Rip-Rabbo]

Nice, thanks for the replies!

A crotchlift for the curious:

 

[theNuge]

My instructor taught us a double leg counter that seemed to work pretty good. I wish I had a picture or a video of it but I don't and I don't know what it's called.

When you get caught on the double simply lean forward and fall to the side your opponent. Reach in between their legs and roll them over beside you. Trap their arm that was around you and take side control.

This essentially works because you're falling to their side.

 

[younggunz]

I've used it...
we always called it a high double leg counter throw..

I've heard it called a Double leg counter throw, a rice bag throw, a counter pullover...etc..

it works fine enough if you miss the sprawl and need a counter from neutral..

key is to keep your hip out, sit and pull when your opponent tries to finish the double with his leg drive..

It worked maybe 60% of the time on double legs...
other 40% I either didn't catch the grip right, or I was tilted out of position

 

[kvolcom**]

its originally a judo move, i believe. personally i find it very effective. a lot of the time you can bait the man with leaving one leg out so he is tempted to take the single (make sure youre prepared for it by keeping your hips low) and then take your arm (same side as the leg he has) and reach down between his arm and his head, and grab his opposite arm on the triceps. his neck should be in your armpit. (make sure you have it VERY tight). then scoot into him and simultaneously crank his head down, curve your back as if in the fetal position (very important, if you dont, you will land flat on your back with him on top of you, the curve in your back will preserve the momentum to flip him over) and right as your butt/lower back touch the mat, kick the leg that he has control of up, aiding him in coming over you and adding more momentum to the backwards roll. keep your back arched, and keep ahold of his tricep the entire time and you will end up straddling him while he is on his back with your arm underneath his neck.

 

[davejitsu]

In judo it is the Tawara Gaeshi. In wrestling we called it high crotch counter

 

[younggunz]

In judo it is the Tawara i. In wrestling we called it high crotch counter

I've also seen a split leg counter to a single shot used in folk/freestyle...
One year at nationals (2003 NCAA) one of Ohio States wrestlers had an extensive judo background as well...he used the sumi gaeshi (which looked like a Whizzer because of the single underhook) to counter, into a weak tilt, and cradle.

 

[Lapu-Lapu]

Good freestyle move. Works effectively in folk too if you have good balance and top control.