Wrestler Sit Out Position...In the Gi

[thegreenblender]

So, I've been experimenting with more sit-up style escapes from sidemount or strong pass attempt, and sometimes I end up like the guy with his butt on the mat above. I'm not finished...but what is my next move? I don't know if doing traditional wrestler escape where you fight hands and sit out is a cure-all here...maybe I'm selling the move short as a non-wrestler, but If you imagine lapel grips instead of under hooks...the situation seems a bit hairier. The best is I just bypass this, but I'm curious what options I have.

Thoughts?

 

[jack36767]

So, I've been experimenting with more sit-up style escapes from sidemount or strong pass attempt, and sometimes I end up like the guy with his butt on the mat above. I'm not finished...but what is my next move? I don't know if doing traditional wrestler escape where you fight hands and sit out is a cure-all here...maybe I'm selling the move short as a non-wrestler, but If you imagine lapel grips instead of under hooks...the situation seems a bit hairier. The best is I just bypass this, but I'm curious what options I have.

Thoughts?

hmmm, this was how I escaped most of the time in college but I'm trying to think of how not to get choked in the gi especially but bjj in general, because the usual sealing off of underhooks and hip heists from their seem impractical, maybe a granby shrug would work...

I'm going to have to think about it....this is going to bother me till I figure out a way to use it for bjj

 

[Gambledub]

Honestly I would focus on getting a better sit up escape lol. If they shuck off your collar tie you need to be granbying back to guard asap.

 

[Curly Peibce]

This would be very situational in bjj, i'ce seen people overhook the guys underhook and sit out but still...

 

[Aesopian]

I sometimes try this because I think it's fun to try wrestling moves I'm not good at, and it almost always backfires. I have seen better (and much more explosive) wrestlers do it successfully in the gi but even then it's usually through many close calls and almost getting their back taken and neck choked. Hand fighting and press back and stand (as it is often shown in wrestling) is tough in BJJ, but you could try to spin to face or granby roll out since we're not trying to avoid pinning or guard.

 

[Uchi Mata]

hmmm, this was how I escaped most of the time in college but I'm trying to think of how not to get choked in the gi especially but bjj in general, because the usual sealing off of underhooks and hip heists from their seem impractical, maybe a granby shrug would work...

I'm going to have to think about it....this is going to bother me till I figure out a way to use it for bjj

I use the sitout in the gi from time to time, never get choked. Basically just work the hip heist, if you feel the underhooks release you know the choke is coming, turn in fast. If your opponent keeps the underhooks just stand up and peel them off. The biggest mistake I see people make is not being strong enough with the head (e.g. not enough back arch), and then your opponent can just make space and drop you into N/S. You really have to keep a strong neck, face up, and push towards your opponent to kill the space until you can deal with the grips. You could also Granby back to guard if he released one grip.

I've posted it before, but there's a no-gi match between Rustam Chisev and Luke Rockhold where Luke sits out of turtle like 5 times, never comes close to having his back taken or being choked. He keeps his neck strong, controls the hands, and turns in fast at the first opportunity. That's how you have to do it to make it work.

 

[jack36767]

I use the sitout in the gi from time to time, never get choked. Basically just work the hip heist, if you feel the underhooks release you know the choke is coming, turn in fast. If your opponent keeps the underhooks just stand up and peel them off. The biggest mistake I see people make is not being strong enough with the head (e.g. not enough back arch), and then your opponent can just make space and drop you into N/S. You really have to keep a strong neck, face up, and push towards your opponent to kill the space until you can deal with the grips. You could also Granby back to guard if he released one grip.

I've posted it before, but there's a no-gi match between Rustam Chisev and Luke Rockhold where Luke sits out of turtle like 5 times, never comes close to having his back taken or being choked. He keeps his neck strong, controls the hands, and turns in fast at the first opportunity. That's how you have to do it to make it work.

Yeah, that's in line with what I what thinking, it really has been nagging at me lol, the sit-back was my best escape/position in college, and if I get the coaching position I'm going after I'm installing a sit-back and granby shrug series into the system. So even if it's situational, I want to have something I can use safely when rolling lol

 

[cartwheelpass]

So, I've been experimenting with more sit-up style escapes from sidemount or strong pass attempt, and sometimes I end up like the guy with his butt on the mat above. I'm not finished...but what is my next move? I don't know if doing traditional wrestler escape where you fight hands and sit out is a cure-all here...maybe I'm selling the move short as a non-wrestler, but If you imagine lapel grips instead of under hooks...the situation seems a bit hairier. The best is I just bypass this, but I'm curious what options I have.

Thoughts?

Oh yes, I've been changing my own escaping system by using sit up methods inspired by Marcelo. I've learning off of Ryan Halls defensive guard and his open elbow. In that instance you outline, I will either make grips on his/her hands assuming they have two underhooks on me. I'm applying downward pressure. At the same time, I'm also sliding my self forward putting backward pressure on my partner. At some point, I will usually feel their grip fail or their base is gone. I can pick a side, hip heist (maintaining pressure on them) and attempt a switch. Second option that I try is simply pick a side and execute a granby roll. My partners usually are committed to the grip and I end up with either a partial sweep where they let go and somehow base. The extra space allows me to move away and recover. Or, they are reversed completely.



If you watch this roll between Telles and his partner, @ about 0:44, he executes a granby against the opened elbow. Now, I know its not exactly the same position you mention but it still works. In Ryan Hall's open elbow set, he calls it the hippoplatamus.

I'm still experimenting but the two options I stated have got me out of some sticky situations!

 

[Russky]

I'm not finished...but what is my next move?

Prevent back take with feet in and arms over your body.
- bend forward
- chin down, shoulders up
- knees up elbows down blocking sides
- palms at your neck on one side.

In this position you are pretty safe (from BJJ point of view), and then you can wait for the opponent to attack and get an opportunity to escape.

 

[thegreenblender]

Honestly I would focus on getting a better sit up escape lol. If they shuck off your collar tie you need to be granbying back to guard asap.

You're not wrong. Against blues and purples I think I can cut out the slack...but I'm probably still going to get caught with my pants down above that...ah, well.

 

[jack36767]

If you watch this roll between Telles and his partner, @ about 0:44, he executes a granby against the opened elbow. Now, I know its not exactly the same position you mention but it still works. In Ryan Hall's open elbow set, he calls it the hippoplatamus.

I'm still experimenting but the two options I stated have got me out of some sticky situations!

Also known as the Peterson Roll