Women beating men at grappling is actually very common

[Not A Real Fan]

I originally posted this in UFC Discussion. It was then moved here to Grappling Technique.

This post was directed toward neckbeard incels who feel that the average untrained guy would never get beaten by a trained woman in a grappling contest.

Obviously a trained man will beat a trained woman more often than not.

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A certain poster gets shit on for admitting he lost to a girl in a grappling match. But it actually happens all the time. Right this second some dude is tapping to a girl.

If you add strikes, the tide would turn to the guy's favor. But pure grappling?











The above is competition footage. You think you untrained portly beerbellies would do better?

Some of you will concede that Cris Cyborg would beat you but the reality is that Rose Namujunas, Tatiana Suarez, etc. will wrestlefuck the hell out of you as well.

 

[Flex Plexico]

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[The Witcher]

We should ask the expert on this matter























@PrideJitZoo

 

[Nip Tickler]

The fact that these men are the same size as the women shows they are not real men.

 

[Deleted member 545701]

Some of you will concede that Cris Cyborg would beat you but the reality is that Rose Namujunas, Tatiana Suarez, etc. will wrestlefuck the hell out of you as well.

Pretty sure that's what they spent their whole lives working on, so I'd sure hope they could wrestlefuck us. Another white knight in action

 

[applesbananas]

Its definitely not, have you ever trained before?

 

[Wellthereitis]

No, I'm not getting wrestling fucked by any 115 pound woman. Ain't happening

 

[Fishmonger]

"it happens all of the time..." proceeds to find clips on youtube to support the generalization... it must be so.

 

[SJP_SevenLaker]

Just stopping by to make sure this thread was a raging dumpster fire. I wasn't dissapointed.

 

[EGDM]

Rose Namujunas, Tatiana Suarez, etc. will wrestlefuck the hell out of you as well.

I doubt that, really. I've trained with several female black belt world champs, and honestly an average in-shape male with a purple+ skill level is a significant threat just based on physiological differences. Even normalizing for mass, the strength difference is substantial.

It does happen, but those clips you posted are teenage boys and/or novice men. My wife is a purple belt and my sister is a brown belt, and they've been around the block enough to know that if the restraints came off against a trained adult male they'd be lucky to come out uninjured, never mind winning. It's not a happy truth, but it's the objective truth.

Go watch the video of Gegard Mousasi working with Rhonda Rousey. She's got better grappling than anyone you mention, he's not even trying, and the difference is comical.

 

[kazam]

Yes we know man, also Ronda can beat Cain Velasquez

 

[Flboycanscrap2]

I honestly do wonder what the skill level difference needs to be to equalize a match between a man and woman of equal size who both have equal percentile athleticism for their sex.

I'm sure that some guys can fall victim to super flexible women who can snatch limbs from odd positions and catch them asleep at the wheel e.g. not defending until it is too late. Also specific matchmaking e.g. a female leg lock specialist vs a male with little leg lock training. Gi should also keep things closer than No-Gi.

With a large enough sample size, examples like the OP posted will be readily available to show and seem more common than they actually are.

 

[yetanother]

Some of you will concede that Cris Cyborg would beat you but the reality is that Rose Namujunas, Tatiana Suarez, etc. will wrestlefuck the hell out of you as well.

I seriously doubt it. I roll with a girl who took silver at purple belt at pans and won the european and even when she went all out to try to fuck me up in sparring (she alternates between being super friendly to me and hatred) I was able to just try out new stuff I watched online on her.

 

[Not A Real Fan]

I doubt that, really. I've trained with several female black belt world champs, and honestly an average in-shape male with a purple+ skill level is a significant threat just based on physiological differences. Even normalizing for mass, the strength difference is substantial.

It does happen, but those clips you posted are mostly teenage boys and/or novice men. My wife is a purple belt and my sister is a brown belt, and they've been around the block enough to know that if the restraints came off against a trained adult male they'd be lucky to come out uninjured, never mind winning. It's not a happy truth, but it's the objective truth.

Go watch the video of Gegard Mousasi working with Rhonda Rousey. She's got better grappling than anyone you mention, he's not even trying, and the difference is comical.

I think yours is the first post after this thread was moved from UFC Discussion to Grappling Technique.

Trained male grappler with at least one year of experience beats a trained female grappler with at least one year of experience more times than not. You get no argument from me.

But some guy off the street taking his first class? Lotta neckbeards think they'll make a trained female grappler tap 10 times in five minutes. They really believe that. That's who this thread was aim at.

 

[EGDM]

I think yours is the first post after this thread was moved from UFC Discussion to Grappling Technique

Ahh, well that context is important and not obvious. I agree that a woman with significant grappling training can handle an untrained male with some reliability, and a champion-caliber female athlete would tool them.

 

[SandisLL]

What kind of strikes to add ?
Beating is in favour to person who delivers decent strike first. Therefore in serious self defense situations open hands techniques are highly usable, because switch off a person with proper neck strike usually requires less force than for KO with fist in the chin.

 

[method115]

I just recently rolled with the first female I felt was actually very good for a female. I've only rolled with about 4 women white to purple belt. All of them have been insanely easy to control even when I was a white belt. Recently though this blue belt who was about to be purple was really good. Her technique was great I was impressed. I could have still used more strength and took control but I could tell it wouldn't have helped me that much. It was actually the first time I rolled with a female and didn't feel like I needed to concentrate on holding back. It felt more natural like I was rolling with a guy who was just weaker than I was which happens.

 

[yetanother]

Roger Gracie has some rolls with Tayane Porfirio on his site (he beats her up but he goes full out brawl on her) and she would beat most black belts up (there is a roll where she beats up an elite middle weight black belt) and she would execute anyone untrained in a street fight.

 

[SandisLL]

Really? For example with 350 lbs?

 

[Hanri]

Maybe if the woman is well above in skill. I started BJJ when I think I was like 14 and they had two different beginner classes, one for men and one for women + males under 16. Even as a 14/15 year old none of the women who started at the same time stood any chance, even at that age the strength difference was just too much. Though I do remember getting fucked up by a female purple belt when the beginner classes stopped. So yes females can obviously win, but with matching skill levels is it common? Absolutely not.

Obviously my experiences with these classes is just anecdote and strength matters more the less skilled you are so beginner classes might not be the best example. It just stuck in my mind because it was the first time I was training with adults in anything sports related and it was just easy mode

 

[yetanother]

Really? For example with 350 lbs?

You mean would Tayane beat a 350lbs guy? Most 350lbs are barely alive.