Wilder leaves Breland

Probably for the best, he might learn how to actually box now
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It's a matter of perspective, really. From Wilder's perspective Breland knew full well in advance never to throw the towel yet he did it anyway (whether his intentions were good or not, and they were, is beside the point). Wilder has changed his mind about Breland staying on the team because he's naturally concerned it could happen again in the future.

From our perspective him canning Breland, who had been with him since day one as a pro, looks like a dick move, but we're also not part of Team Wilder. If somebody on my team couldn't be trusted not to throw the towel if I'm in trouble then I'd axe them too. What other option would you have aside from benching Breland for the most important fights of your career? And, if you're going to do that, then why pay him as a co-trainer at all if they won't be there to work your biggest fights? You'd have no other choice.
 
these are the kinds of things you expect out of an amateur like wilder. they say Ali thanked Dundee for stopping the holmes fight and that Chacon thanked Richard steele when Mancini was bludgeoning him, both would have went on and both knew they weren't going to get any better on those nights because they were experienced professionals and knew that to quit themselves is against the code of the prizefighter.
 
It's a matter of perspective, really. From Wilder's perspective Breland knew full well in advance never to throw the towel yet he did it anyway (whether his intentions were good or not, and they were, is beside the point). Wilder has changed his mind about Breland staying on the team because he's naturally concerned it could happen again in the future.

From our perspective him canning Breland, who had been with him since day one as a pro, looks like a dick move, but we're also not part of Team Wilder. If somebody on my team couldn't be trusted not to throw the towel if I'm in trouble then I'd axe them too. What other option would you have aside from benching Breland for the most important fights of your career? And, if you're going to do that, then why pay him as a co-trainer at all if they won't be there to work your biggest fights? You'd have no other choice.
On the whole, what difference will it make, Wilder isn't going to improve under anyone at 35 years old or however old he is, he's lucky to have accomplished what he has in this weak era.
 
On the whole, what difference will it make, Wilder isn't going to improve under anyone at 35 years old or however old he is, he's lucky to have accomplished what he has in this weak era.
I agree with that. The only thing Wilder could possibly get out of it is being permitted to go out on his shield the next time he's badly hurt in the ring. To a fighter pride is everything (with some notable exceptions).
 
On the whole, what difference will it make, Wilder isn't going to improve under anyone at 35 years old or however old he is, he's lucky to have accomplished what he has in this weak era.

There's nuances like Wilder overloading his rear foot too much. If a trainer can fix that, it can make quite a difference.
 
It's a matter of perspective, really. From Wilder's perspective Breland knew full well in advance never to throw the towel yet he did it anyway (whether his intentions were good or not, and they were, is beside the point). Wilder has changed his mind about Breland staying on the team because he's naturally concerned it could happen again in the future.

From our perspective him canning Breland, who had been with him since day one as a pro, looks like a dick move, but we're also not part of Team Wilder. If somebody on my team couldn't be trusted not to throw the towel if I'm in trouble then I'd axe them too. What other option would you have aside from benching Breland for the most important fights of your career? And, if you're going to do that, then why pay him as a co-trainer at all if they won't be there to work your biggest fights? You'd have no other choice.
this whole "warrior die on his sword" BS is nonsense and everything wrong about some mentalities of boxing, especially in a dangerous sport such as this

Breland saved him from possible brain injury but Wilder rather surround himself with yes men
 
There's nuances like Wilder overloading his rear foot too much. If a trainer can fix that, it can make quite a difference.
there's too much to fix and he's not at a learning level or time in his life. Are there things he could do? Sure, even throwing more punches would help and more variety. He still will have a hard time fighting backing up, and if he stands his ground, Fury will just take him inside where he has nothing to offer, all things that he should have learned years ago.
 
this whole "warrior die on his sword" BS is nonsense and everything wrong about some mentalities of boxing, especially in a dangerous sport such as this

Breland saved him from possible brain injury but Wilder rather surround himself with yes men
It's not nonsense. Breland just got canned over it because he broke the code that was put in place from the very beginning (as Jay Deas also confirmed). Again, put yourself in Wilder's shoes in the biggest fight of his life with tens of millions of dollars on the line. You wouldn't want a team member being the one to decide against your own wishes, as the fighter in there, just when you've had enough. I've defended Breland since he threw the towel but I also understand where Wilder's coming from.
 
At this point he won’t change much, I guess. It’s about being on top of his usual game and if something got broken between him and Breland I assume it’s not a bad move, even if it won’t make anything much different.
 
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Good. Nobody needs a double agent on their team
 
Apart from money this shouldn't hurt Breland as a trainer.

Wilder didn't want him to throw in the towel. Breland did the right thing protecting his fighter imo.

It's just a difference of opinion. Wilder I think might be looking at that fight with rose colored spectacles. With his power he always has a chance but realistically he was not winning that fight. He was being mauled.

Personally I think Breland made the right decision. Wilder is in charge of his career and they can go their separate ways. No need for any acrimony.
 
It's not nonsense. Breland just got canned over it because he broke the code that was put in place from the very beginning (as Jay Deas also confirmed). Again, put yourself in Wilder's shoes in the biggest fight of his life with tens of millions of dollars on the line. You wouldn't want a team member being the one to decide against your own wishes, as the fighter in there, just when you've had enough. I've defended Breland since he threw the towel but I also understand where Wilder's coming from.

This, Wilder clearly wasn't ready to have it end like that. Cant buy anything with ''if's''. But if it was his wish and was outspoken clearly from the beginning the decision doesnt seem so weird.
 
he esily defeated all boxers in long row because they were not the best HW boxers, not cos weak era.
Looks that he becomed too comfortable with this, did not adapted after old Ortiz gave him problems, then this supposedly out of shape Fury, 1 st fight, 2 nd fight.
Biggest problems most likely is cos all these boxers before old Ortiz and Fury were for him really easily beatable. He bang, they are down and he is not tired at all.
 
It's not nonsense. Breland just got canned over it because he broke the code that was put in place from the very beginning (as Jay Deas also confirmed). Again, put yourself in Wilder's shoes in the biggest fight of his life with tens of millions of dollars on the line. You wouldn't want a team member being the one to decide against your own wishes, as the fighter in there, just when you've had enough. I've defended Breland since he threw the towel but I also understand where Wilder's coming from.
Ref was going to stop it anyway any second so doesn’t really matter. Just goes to show wilder has such a high option of himself and believes all the BS as to why he lost not self reflecting on what he did wrong and how to correct it. That’s why he will loose again and fade away.
 
Somethings for a lot of you know it alls to consider...
-99% of you are not professional fighters and were never close to being one. The mindset of a world champion pro athlete is not that of an average Sherdog poster. Especially for the biggest and baddest title in all of sports. Its winning over all and potentially giving your life for it.
-Wilder had already taken back Breland allegedly
-You don't know Mark Breland. Youtube clips and interviews or old highlight footage dont give you insight into who and how he was as a trainer. Could of been great, could of been MEH.
- You have zero idea what when on in their training camp and who was responsible for what
-The same critics of Wilder's unorthodoxed style and low skill level should be happy hes making changes to his team if they think his fundamentals suck so bad.
-Fury was able to come back better and improve with multiple new trainers at similar age and just as many miles , if not more.
- Reminds me of people giving Danny Jacobs shit for dumping Rosier. When the truth was the trainer had litterally missed camp for the biggest name and fight they ever had.
-Wilder is the boss of his team if he wants to go out on his shield and get knocked out IN A SPORT ABOUT KNOCKOUTS its not really that outrageous of a request. Wilder was not competitive and he was getting beat up but it was not the life threatening beating many of you try to softly make it out to be. If you dont want or like a good knock,out why watch boxing?

Sounds like their is more to the story yet again....
"There hasn't been wholesale changes," said Finkel, who actually managed Breland during his pro career. "And without going into details no one knows what goes on in our camp weekly and monthly and before the fight. And no one knows if this change came about from that one fight, or there were some other things, and the culmination was the loss."
 
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