Why is Fiziev just not that good?

I mean, at the end of the day he's a borderline top 10 guy. Only in the fight game can you be a borderline top 10 in the world guy and be considered "just not that good".
 
HuskySamoan said:
Yeah, he really has trouble getting his hands going. Its hard to explain, he doesnt have particularly good inside boxing for being a compact guy either. I dont think he hits hard, I think he throws hard. Nick Ball in boxing is like that, he rips his punches with great tenacity but doesnt have knockout power. So hes "hard hitting" but really more of a volume guy. Fiziev doesnt have the stamina to be a volume guy, which is often (not always) the case with heavily muscled quick twitch guys.
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Even his kicks, they make a powerful thud but he never actually gets a knockdown or a limp from them.
 
Fight Professor said:
Have you seen Black Beast vs Tallison?
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HW and WMMA are just different ballgames. The team sports hoover up all of the elite jumbo athletes and combat sports are left with the scraps. 135-170, maybe up to 185 is the sweet spot IMO. That's where the majority of the male population is going to be in terms of fight weight so there's a huge talent pool to pull from and unless you're a superhuman athlete the major team sports aren't clamoring for you.
 
He isn’t actually that bad. Ruffy and Gaethje are just better. Fiziev can still pick up some W’s against worse fighters. I’d like to see the UFC match him up against some cans instead.
 
He has all the tools offensively, but can't get out of the way on defense. It's Edson Barboza Syndrome.
 
Doctor Grudge said:
Plenty of people live in Thailand without partying all the time. I stayed in Phuket for a month or so and the partying is more so for tourist in key areas.

Las Vegas is the epic center of strong gyms in MMA and it has constant nightlife also.
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maybe, but also maybe not. who knows? i think there's few UFC fighters that would actually go monk mode in thailand while training. Jiri and that's it.
 
Tweak896 said:
I would actually say the opposite. The first 1.4 rounds he was looking elite. Then got tagged and gassed immediately afterwards, and looked like shit the rest of the fight.

I held out hope he would be able to keep that up 3 rounds, maybe get more confident. But he just seems to choke. He's better when he's pressuring and going for it. Had his chances though.
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He did some nice things against Gaethje in the first fight, maybe even deserved to win if you consider the second round was pretty close and Justin intentionally poked him in the eye.

But the red flags were there. It was at least the second time when his speed and footwork started to fade after two rounds and that against strikers, favorable matchups for him on paper.

No hitter quitter, no stamina or defense to keep it up over five, no tools for a plan B, basically a glass smaller cannon.
 
wrb said:
Honestly I am surprised as well as the dude has the Muay Thai background, is fast as fuck and has incredible take-down defense. (Has he ever been taken down?)

So people say he lost the explosiveness after the knee injury, maybe that had something to do with him being less aggressive. My issue is that everything started to go south after/during Justin 1, unfortunately he fought most of that fight half blind and he has never really bounced back.
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Yeah I’m not buying it that something physical has changed. I think he doesn’t carry the right mentality

Look at it like this - he is the complete antithesis of prime El Cucuy. Where Ferguson would upset the rhythm, Fiziev is happy to sit in those patterns, to establish a more spar type feel in the fight. It doesn’t benefit his skillset at all but I guess matches are more fun. He’s a like a robot

Whereas Ferguson sometimes had questionable technique, Fiziev throws everything perfectly like it’s been drilled a million times, but it’s no where near as effective, because he’s not crafty, there’s no guile or trickery in his fighting

The Gaethje fight which you mentioned is where I first had this thought, he’s too robotic. A lot of fighters coming out of Asia are the exact same way
 
Gamboal said:
He,'s just took small. I did some hard Muay Thai sparring last week. Two of the bouts I was matched with a frenchman who was a pathetic height of 5'8 and a Vietnamese even smaller. I'm 6'2. They hit me flush a few times with power shots from mid range and I was shocked how unfazed I was (hooks, crosses and a couple of power body shots). It was almost like shooting a BB gun at a freight train.

Point is, Fiziev is a diddy guy. He should be in the 135lbs division with that 5'7 frame.
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It's not that they were too small.
It's because you are a Sherdogger.
It's widely known we are physical monsters and are not competing actively because it wouldn't be fair.
With that being said, your 6'2 is tad bit too short for our standards, reminder: 6,5 265ripped is where the majority are here.
You can still grow so that's fine.
 
One very simple reason is that he just can't defend jabs at all (Justin 1, Ruffy, Green).
 
Chagaev said:
He did some nice things against Gaethje in the first fight, maybe even deserved to win if you consider the second round was pretty close and Justin intentionally poked him in the eye.

But the red flags were there. It was at least the second time when his speed and footwork started to fade after two rounds and that against strikers, favorable matchups for him on paper.

No hitter quitter, no stamina or defense to keep it up over five, no tools for a plan B, basically a glass smaller cannon.
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Yep, he burned out so bad later on, I honestly couldn't care if he was technically up by points or what. He showed he wasn't ready that night even if you scored it for him. But yeah forgot about that eye poke. Maybe people are on Gane so hard, but completely overlooking how many fouls Gaethje does, just because he's exciting.

I'd argue his best matchups are grapplers that he can keep standing are a better matchup, but either way his bread and butter is standup and he lost to Gaethje standing 2x. Guess Gaethje is technically a wrestler first. Fiziev has even got a finish in the 5th round before, so I think he can do it. Just isn't good at pacing if his opponent makes him work.
 
he's just at that "consistent and dangerous contender" level of skill. Kind of a primarily 1 martial art fighter which is a limiting factor in the modern era. Could fuck shit up at feathrweight tbh
 
Marko Polo said:
It seems he has everything you’d need to be a champion. Elite striking technique, aggression, footwork, cardio
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lack of tools at range, super vulnerable to jabs and straights, tiny, not enough power, kicks weird, and doesnt have the tools or impulse control to manage fights well over the distance. he needs to move to fw and focus on his clinch and clinch striking more.
 
People saying he is ‘mediocre’ is very ignorant. He is very talented and well rounded but he might be a little too small for the weight class and he seems to let himself get hit a little too much. Don’t forget he took down Justin twice in their second fight, a lot of good grapplers have tried and failed. You don’t go 6 rounds with Justin if you are a scrub.
 
U ret@rds were on his jock before his first fight with gaethje
 
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