Why don't Kung Fu schools spar?

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As far as I'm aware, the majority of Kung Fu styles do not include sparring, at all. Not even point fighting.

Why?
 
Ever heard about this thing called sanda?
 
Similar reason to why you don’t actually train or spar. Pressure testing and challenging their own egos is a scary thought, and actually working on developing skills is too much for them.

That’s just a generalization for deluded martial artists who believe they are training real Kung fu. Not people like you who don’t actually train anything and just run their mouths online.
 
spacetime said:
Yeah sorry I forgot to say except Sanda, which is a modern hybrid art.
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Sanda rule set is used for sparring in Kung fu . Sanda is Kung fu based. They also use lei tai Matches and rule set
 
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Frode Falch said:
Ever heard about this thing called sanda?
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Well, what is it?

zapataxiv said:
Similar reason to why you don’t actually train or spar. Pressure testing and challenging their own egos is a scary thought, and actually working on developing skills is too much for them.

That’s just a generalization for deluded martial artists who believe they are training real Kung fu. Not people like you who don’t actually train anything and just run their mouths online.
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Anti-kung fu bias in full gear.

kenpeters8 said:
Because they suck.
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As above.

Karate is way more popular in my area. They do have kumite.

We see a novel on cuban boxing in the recent threads, nothing close on kung fu. MMA influence no doubt.

The general rebuttal then is the lousy striking habitually seen in MMA. And one does have to be an expert to see it. And MMA is big on sparring. Sparring doesn't guarantee any skill to what I've observed. There was just some MMA Analyst commentary about how 'damaged' Luque was hence his poor showing against Wonderboy.

Pick an art and do it well. Boxing certainly shines for pragmatic results. Comparing other arts to boxing helps with learning & pragmatism, but just like Judo vs. BJJ, advantages of one don't rule out the other.

Karate spends the majority of time not in sparring. Reason to be determined.
 
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spacetime said:
As far as I'm aware, the majority of Kung Fu styles do not include sparring, at all. Not even point fighting.

Why?
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It's interesting you posted this, indicating a bias against certain arts like kung fu.

in Judo we have the equivalent of sparring in Randori. But they (the instructors) are much more laid back about the emphasis on it. The bigger message is preparation by getting the throws down. bAsics.

And interestingly again, I've sat in on several class @ out local boxing gym. The instructor there (who claims to have trained both amateur & pros), emphasizes the other aspects of boxing training, especially the mitts. He's big on mittwork and offers, holds private sessions. Again a theme of solid preparation.

So it looks like the kung fu (what you see) is following in a like track. A philosophy of learning what works before fighting. Doesn't sound so dumb now.
 
StanClarker said:
It's interesting you posted this, indicating a bias against certain arts like kung fu.

in Judo we have the equivalent of sparring in Randori. But they (the instructors) are much more laid back about the emphasis on it. The bigger message is preparation by getting the throws down. bAsics.

And interestingly again, I've sat in on several class @ out local boxing gym. The instructor there (who claims to have trained both amateur & pros), emphasizes the other aspects of boxing training, especially the mitts. He's big on mittwork and offers, holds private sessions. Again a theme of solid preparation.

So it looks like the kung fu (what you see) is following in a like track. A philosophy of learning what works before fighting. Doesn't sound so dumb now.
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Throwing people to the wolves or the sink or swim method is pretty effective at teaching, but you won't have that many students.

However, I think, if you really want to compete in that top .01%, you have to do more hard/ full contact sparing.

A lot of these guys never spar though
 
Mr Mojo Lane said:
Throwing people to the wolves or the sink or swim method is pretty effective at teaching, but you won't have that many students.

However, I think, if you really want to compete in that top .01%, you have to do more hard/ full contact sparing.

A lot of these guys never spar though
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Not how either Judo, boxing or other martial art schools where I am do it.

Forum filler once again.
 
StanClarker said:
Not how either Judo, boxing or other martial art schools where I am do it.

Forum filler once again.
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I understood that. What i was saying is that training the way your schools are doing it that way is b/c they want students. It's good that they train against some resistance though
 
Mr Mojo Lane said:
I understood that. What i was saying is that training the way your schools are doing it that way is b/c they want students.
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Well MMA is easily as guilty, it's just selling to a physical strength and fight club crowd. 'Just Bang BRo," I call it.

Mr Mojo Lane said:
I understood that. What i was saying is that training the way your schools are doing it that way is b/c they want students.[/qIt's good that they train against some resistance though
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This is what is so good about the design of boxing. Includes the realistic contact of a real striking contest. But within a scientific base. And with safety pre-cautions built in, as compared to suffering through BK.

There is a divide between martial artists who train to fight opponents (MMA & boxing related); and the Asian-and such arts which are more individualized through philosophy, not necessarily competitive fighting.
 
Because it's too dangerous lol.

Wing Chun spars, maybe that's why they're so dominating.

To my knowledge, martial artists used to spar or at least fight regularly so they don't really need to spar. Unfortunately, most modern TMA are watered down or straight up scams. That's why you have Sanda.
 
Sensei Student said:
Because it's too dangerous lol.

Wing Chun spars, maybe that's why they're so dominating.

To my knowledge, martial artists used to spar or at least fight regularly so they don't really need to spar. Unfortunately, most modern TMA are watered down or straight up scams. That's why you have Sanda.
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wing chun is shit. LOL!
 
and people are arguing over stupid shit again, in another spacetime thread.

@StanClarker most kung fu schools don't do any sparring beyond maybe light contact to the point of literally just tapping each other, but many don't even do that much, just like most karate schools will at most only do light contact point sparring.
its a fact. if the school near you is different that's fine. you can tell everyone about how different that one school near you is until you're blue in the face, but it wont change the fact that most TMA schools never do any serious medium-full contact sparring or pressure testing regardless of style.
 
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