What is "sandbagging"

[WestSideBJJ]

Anyone know what it means? Is it a good or bad thing? I just wanted to know because at a recent toureny I was at a dude was accused of it because he was a purple belt. Whats the connection?

 

[Magooglie]

Its when someone misrepresents their experience level to have an advantage over other competitors.

 

[KickBoxer23]

I faced a college wrestler in my first tournament, beginner nogi. Don't think he was supposed to be in the division but I really don't mind, it's all about the experience not the medals.

 

[kimurense]

I remember seeing this guy in no gi novice tournament, he was a Russian greko roman wrestler and (aparently) had gone to the Olympics.. crazy! he just smashed his division and the open weight.. what a monster! I think he might of caused real damage in the pro division, but in the novice he didn't even break a sweat

 

[ooitzoo]

Lloyd Irvin...that basically his entire game

 

[Primetyme199]

It's someone who misrepresents his skill level in order to gain easy victories over less-skilled opponents.

 

[RadBoy]

Lloyd Irvin...that basically his entire game

How so? While Lloyds marketing style leaves a bad taste, I have never seen his guys sandbagging.

 

[ooitzoo]

How so? While Lloyds marketing style leaves a bad taste, I have never seen his guys sandbagging.

Ryan Hall...plus others.

 

[RadBoy]

Ryan Hall isn't a sandbagger, he is got his purple in like 3 years...how is that sandbagging???? You are gonna say Mike Fowler was sandbagging next right? Cause it only took him 4 years to get black. Put the pipe down.

 

[Kenny from MD]

Ryan Hall...plus others.

Did you misunderstand the question? He said "how so" not "name a random student of Lloyd's.
Im very interested to hear you explain how Ryan is sandbagging in any way shape or form. He competes in Advanced Absolute, which is the hardest no gi division one can enter, and competes in purple and purple absolute. Yet at purple he hasnt won a big one yet like Pan Ams or Mundials. So even if he was "sandbagging" at purple belt, that wouldnt even be his decision since he doesnt promote himself.

And to the thread starter, Sandbagging is by definition what people whos ego cant take losing blame their losses on

 

[armbarking]

Sandbagging is the practice of deceptively portraying oneself as being in a weaker position than is true or purposely performing slowly to delay an out come.
In Grappling sandbagging refers to a competitor who misrepresents his skill level in order to gain easy victories over less-skilled opponents.

Source: Wikipedia

Sandbaggers = pussies with little to no heart, courage, or self belief.

 

[Art Vandelay]

If you didn't wrestle in high school, it's what you'll accuse of everybody in the novice division.

 

[Ballz_Onya_Chin]

If you didn't wrestle in high school, it's what you'll accuse of everybody in the novice division.

I lol'd at this. Anytime the novice's get beat they say this.

 

[beeble]

Its when someone misrepresents their experience level to have an advantage over other competitors.

exaclty, end of thread

 

[armbarking]

If you didn't wrestle in high school, it's what you'll accuse of everybody in the novice division.

I'm assuming you wrestled in high school. Yeah, if it's a no gi grappling (not bjj/judo, etc) competition and the guy wrestled 4 years in high school and 4 years and college, but has only been doing bjj for 6 months, then enters beginner, novice, whatever...he is a sandbagger! Hands down...sand-bag-ger.

 

[EclipsedAgent]

I faced a college wrestler in my first tournament, beginner nogi. Don't think he was supposed to be in the division but I really don't mind, it's all about the experience not the medals.

Yes, in training it's about the experience etc. In a tournament you want to gauge your skills against someone that has comparable skills (at least I do).

 

[bearVSshark]

If someone has barely any Jiu Jitsu experience, but alot of wrestling, is that sandbagging if he enters novice?

 

[Magooglie]

If someone has barely any Jiu Jitsu experience, but alot of wrestling, is that sandbagging if he enters novice?

Some competitions explicitly state "nobody with wrestling experience in the novice category."

 

[Warren Barclay]

Its when someone misrepresents their experience level to have an advantage over other competitors.

Boom

 

[Mikey Triangles]

Lloyd Irvin...that basically his entire game

bad attempt at a joke... just so nobody new is confused Lloyd is the complete opposite of sandbagging, and often has his top guys competing in expert/advanced/pro divisions in under 2 years.