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SH1T! Look what I found out!
Mataemon Tanabe was a specialist in the ground fight, to better face his rival, the judoka Isogai trained with the ground expert judoka, originally from Takenouchi Santo-ryū, Kaichiro Samura, a son of Masaaki Samura also from Takenouchi Santo-ryū, Masaaki once had a fight against Hansuke Nakamura of the Ryōi Shintō-ryū school, the fight was like this;
"Nakamura started by kneeling down to goad Samura to go to newaza, where he was skilled, but Samura refused to engage. When Nakamura was getting up, Samura attacked him with atemi strikes, which Nakamura answered to by scoring a high throw. However, Samura rolled off with ukemi, and after entangling again he surprisingly captured Nakamura's back, locking a hadaka jime for the victory."
That is, Nakamura was a better ground fighting specialist on the ground than Samura, who was himself a ground specialist, and both were from different martial arts.
Soon it seems that there were several styles of Jujutsu that "had continuous action on the ground", and practitioners of these styles also practiced striking and throws.
Right? OK.
Looking to know more about the Takenouchi Santo-ryū mentioned above, I found this.
The Takenouchi Santo-ryū mentioned above was created by the Yano family, of which Yano Takeo is part. Takeo who went to Brazil and taught and fought against the Gracie!
'He was a judo student of Isogai Hajime (mentioned above) of the Butokukai."
ALSO
"Many of the great judoka of Kyushu started in this ryu, among them Kimura Masahiko."
The Kimura who fought against and beat Helio.
Mind Blowing!
"The (mentioned above) great judoka Samaura Masaaki – tenth dan – was a practitioner, and wrote, in particular, about the power of the school’s back throws (ura nage)."
This is despite being a school of Jujutsu that had "continuous action on the ground", the school was described by Masaaki as a "powerful throws" kind of art. We can understand, then, that the school was not even specialized in ground fighting, despite its great proficiency in this aspect. Which indicates that the art did not need to be specialized to have great proficiency in ground fighting.
And from that we can understand that "continuous action on the ground" was not uncommon at all and that it was by no means the exception.
So basically BJJ is not based on Maeda's Judo Kodokan, or at least not only on it, whatever Maeda taught, but Judo-Bukoku-kai style-Takenouchi Santo-ryū-TAKEO YANO. Amazing!
So the lineage is Isogai Hajime (because he learned Takenouchi Santo-ryū from Kaichiro Samura) -> Yano Takeo (member of the family that invented Takenouchi Santo-ryū) -> Gracie family (who invented BJJ).
lol and everyone thinking it was Mataemon Tanabe, when in fact it was his rival Isogai, who had been the biggest influencer and responsible for the invention of BJJ by the Gracies,
how crazy this world is!
And Isogai Hajime only learned Takenouchi Santo-ryū to be able to face the guy, Tanabe, who ended up receiving the credits for the influence on the Gracie who led the specialization in the ground fight and BJJ's invention lol
Mataemon Tanabe was a specialist in the ground fight, to better face his rival, the judoka Isogai trained with the ground expert judoka, originally from Takenouchi Santo-ryū, Kaichiro Samura, a son of Masaaki Samura also from Takenouchi Santo-ryū, Masaaki once had a fight against Hansuke Nakamura of the Ryōi Shintō-ryū school, the fight was like this;
"Nakamura started by kneeling down to goad Samura to go to newaza, where he was skilled, but Samura refused to engage. When Nakamura was getting up, Samura attacked him with atemi strikes, which Nakamura answered to by scoring a high throw. However, Samura rolled off with ukemi, and after entangling again he surprisingly captured Nakamura's back, locking a hadaka jime for the victory."
That is, Nakamura was a better ground fighting specialist on the ground than Samura, who was himself a ground specialist, and both were from different martial arts.
Soon it seems that there were several styles of Jujutsu that "had continuous action on the ground", and practitioners of these styles also practiced striking and throws.
Right? OK.
Looking to know more about the Takenouchi Santo-ryū mentioned above, I found this.
The Takenouchi Santo-ryū mentioned above was created by the Yano family, of which Yano Takeo is part. Takeo who went to Brazil and taught and fought against the Gracie!
'He was a judo student of Isogai Hajime (mentioned above) of the Butokukai."
ALSO
"Many of the great judoka of Kyushu started in this ryu, among them Kimura Masahiko."
The Kimura who fought against and beat Helio.
Mind Blowing!
"The (mentioned above) great judoka Samaura Masaaki – tenth dan – was a practitioner, and wrote, in particular, about the power of the school’s back throws (ura nage)."
This is despite being a school of Jujutsu that had "continuous action on the ground", the school was described by Masaaki as a "powerful throws" kind of art. We can understand, then, that the school was not even specialized in ground fighting, despite its great proficiency in this aspect. Which indicates that the art did not need to be specialized to have great proficiency in ground fighting.
And from that we can understand that "continuous action on the ground" was not uncommon at all and that it was by no means the exception.
So basically BJJ is not based on Maeda's Judo Kodokan, or at least not only on it, whatever Maeda taught, but Judo-Bukoku-kai style-Takenouchi Santo-ryū-TAKEO YANO. Amazing!
So the lineage is Isogai Hajime (because he learned Takenouchi Santo-ryū from Kaichiro Samura) -> Yano Takeo (member of the family that invented Takenouchi Santo-ryū) -> Gracie family (who invented BJJ).
lol and everyone thinking it was Mataemon Tanabe, when in fact it was his rival Isogai, who had been the biggest influencer and responsible for the invention of BJJ by the Gracies,
how crazy this world is!And Isogai Hajime only learned Takenouchi Santo-ryū to be able to face the guy, Tanabe, who ended up receiving the credits for the influence on the Gracie who led the specialization in the ground fight and BJJ's invention lol
