International Trump, uniting the world against us

[Hit-N-Run]

Twenty counties attended a summit in China to counter act the United States by building new alliances, with China running the show. Of note is India and Russia attending. Three countries that have had difficult ties are now actively working together against the US in a coordinated method unlike any time in history.

There’s one person you can thank for that.

China tries to use Trump turmoil to unite leaders against U.S.-led order — The Washington Post

Twenty leaders — including from Russia, Iran and India — are in China for a summit designed to promote Beijing as a reliable counterweight to the U.S.

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Trump, his administration, and everyone that voted for him are to blame for this and the downfall of the United States. His tariffs and treatment of traditional allies will go down in history as the worst political mistake ever made. He’s shot us in the face economically and politically.

 

[tastaylvr]

if he didn’t want to be known as a genius businessman by doing this stupid Tarif shit his presidency wouldn’t be viewed as badly as it is

 

[Son of Jamin]

You are way oversimplifying, and omitting facts:

Modi and Putin developed a strong relationship long before Trump took office in 2017.

For example, in 2015, Modi and Putin agreed on military and energy cooperation.

But hey, don’t let me get in the way of painting everything without nuances.

 

[Natural Order]

He’s just doing his best to get to heaven.

 

[TheMaster]

Twenty counties attended a summit in China to counter act the United States by building new alliances, with China running the show. Of note is India and Russia attending. Three countries that have had difficult ties are now actively working together against the US in a coordinated method unlike any time in history.

There’s one person you can thank for that.

China tries to use Trump turmoil to unite leaders against U.S.-led order — The Washington Post

Twenty leaders — including from Russia, Iran and India — are in China for a summit designed to promote Beijing as a reliable counterweight to the U.S.

apple.news

Trump, his administration, and everyone that voted for him are to blame for this and the downfall of the United States. His tariffs and treatment of traditional allies will go down in history as the worst political mistake ever made. He’s shot us in the face economically and politically.

He doing good, fostering global unity and trying to bring rivals like China and India together. Ironically he seems to be remarkably aligned with Putin in his agenda.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

I thought all these countries were irrelevant in front of the might of America.

You guys should stop at the same time being ultra-confident about your place in the world and at the same time petrified whenever a few countries on the other side of the planet have a summit without you. it's schizo as fuck.

 

[MacGregor]

When OP says 'us', he's referring to traitors and cowards, not actual Americans.

 

[Cid]

If it makes you feel better most of us in the good countries are still firmly team retard.

How long we remain team retard depends on how retarded you get.

 

[ShadowRun]

lol “guys axis of evil (German, Italy and Japan) are uniting against England”


TDS levels are getting ridiculous

 

[Siver!]

I thought all these countries were irrelevant in front of the might of America.

You guys should stop at the same time being ultra-confident about your place in the world and at the same time petrified whenever a few countries on the other side of the planet have a summit without you. it's schizo as fuck.

Yeah I think Trump has vastly overplayed his hand, but it will still be generally fine.

Nothing to worry about, India and China will get closer, but it's nothing they weren't trying already with BRICS.

Those countries should be working together, just like European countries should, and Middle East countries should.

These big collective economies can compete and there's room enough for more than one. It will just mean less scope for America to exaggerate it's power further down the line - which is good for the world.

 

[ShinkanPo]

That's bad very bad, really very bad. Not really nice of Trump and Modi. eh.

 

[Loiosh]

I thought all these countries were irrelevant in front of the might of America.

You guys should stop at the same time being ultra-confident about your place in the world and at the same time petrified whenever a few countries on the other side of the planet have a summit without you. it's schizo as fuck.

How do you feel about the importance of soft power and global leadership?

It's a genuine question, some feel it's critical to maintaining economic dominance, others feel it's a messy waste of resources that creates bitterness and draws entirely the wrong type of attention and resentment.

 

[PEB]

You are way oversimplifying, and omitting facts:

Modi and Putin developed a strong relationship long before Trump took office in 2017.

For example, in 2015, Modi and Putin agreed on military and energy cooperation.

But hey, don’t let me get in the way of painting everything without nuances.

You missed the part that Modi walked from defense co-development deals with Russia after being unable to achieve goals with the development of the SU-57 flanker. They where working towards buying updated f16 and seeking to get approval to buy F-35 jets. Now they walked away from that deal and the billions it would have brought in to the US.

Guess who they are talking about.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

How do you feel about the importance of soft power and global leadership?

It's a genuine question, some feel it's critical to maintaining economic dominance, others feel it's a messy waste of resources that creates bitterness and draws entirely the wrong type of attention and resentment.

It was nice. i don't think we'll ever, in our lifetime, feel peaceful enough to allow resources to flow in that direction. we're in the opening acts of the "now is the times of monsters" era, and god knows how long that will last. soft power works when you trust the one conveying it.

the only soft power left, i feel, is the one that's small enough to move unseen - sending 100 firemen over the border to help your direct neighbor that has problems with a forest fire. the age of the grand, operatic endeavors, encompassing the globe, is over. it only lasted for about 60 years. it died at 9/11.

if hitler built a school in hungary in 1939, was it soft power, or was it an imperial gift? this is the dilemma now - What opens its arms to me? is it goodwill, or is it calculation? do i care if that What holds moral rectitude as a value, or am i too hungry to say no? it's who you choose, between the monk or the warchief.

intellectually, there's an inertia tucked away under the whole idea - surely we must be good. and since we're powerful, our goodness is implicit.

this is the point on the power self-actualization map where you start seeing "here there be monsters". i suspect, for a while, as a lot of good ideas, it will be relegated to the "debate" rooms. it might come back but i don't think i'll see it, meaningfully, again.

 

[PEB]

 

[Son of Jamin]

You missed the part that Modi walked from defense co-development deals with Russia after being unable to achieve goals with the development of the SU-57 flanker. They where working towards buying updated f16 and seeking to get approval to by F-35 jets. Now they walked away from that deal and the billions it would have brought in to the US.

Guess who they are talking about.

That may be, but it doesn’t change the fact that Putin and Modi had strong diplomatic- and geopolitical ties, as well as a strong energy security cooperation before Trump.

I’m not saying that Trump has improved matters (far from it), but it isn’t like Russia and India didn’t have a strong bond before.

 

[PEB]

Just so people will understand since President Trump took office Russian drone production is going top 3 million per year. Before Trump took office almost all their drones where coming from Iran. Their own drone production was extremely limited because China seem to have taken a more independent stance in the matter not wanting to impact their relationship with many eastern block and European nations. Since Trump tariffs and aggressive tactics with these trading partners China seems to be free of the limits put on them and has started to plow 100's of thousands to millions of parts to Russia for their drone production. Russian drones have been found with digital optics built from China and before Trump there was some but the effort Russia had to put in was extremely limited even the Chinese soldiers who where in war was limited. It is very different now the conditions on the ground thanks to the administration.

 

[PEB]

That may be, but it doesn’t change the fact that Putin and Modi had strong diplomatic- and geopolitical ties, as well as a strong energy security cooperation before Trump.

I’m not saying that Trump has improved matters (far from it), but it isn’t like Russia and India didn’t have a strong bond before.

Yes we know they where buying Russian oil and natural gas a reduced prices but that started to become problematic as US and European Countries where going after oil tankers and Russian trading business in Dubai. Now you almost never hear about these efforts.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

At least he is uniting people. Guy deserves the Nobel peace prize.

 

[panamaican]

I will simply repeat my opinion for the last 7 years. Trump's greatest threat to our nation is in foreign policy.

He is single-handedly destroying the world's ingrained reliance on US leadership. A reliance built on the back of WW2. 70 years of bridge building, ally alignments, etc. will be erase in less than a decade and will not be rebuilt because once you fracture the dynamic this way, no one comes back to you.