Triangle choke without locking the arm?

[thegamer96]

Was doing demo's with a girl in BJJ class and she could easily make me tap with the triangle, which of course, is to be expected.

But how would the triangle choke differ if the arm wasn't locked in the hold? (but the legs were still locked around the head). Would it be more or less effective and why?

 

[SuperSuperRambo]

You mean like a leg scissor on the head? Yes, you can choke someone like that although it's much lower percentage and less secure. And you don't lock the legs like a triangle.

There's also the "armless" triangle where you reach up and insert your own arm instead of theirs, which again is lower percentage but can work. Someone used it this past weekend at ADCC to get a sub, can't remember who.

 

[DoMn8]

The arm closes the gap considerably. Its also easier to slip out without your arm trapped inside (although your ears wont thank you for it).

No arm triangles are not that easy to get, but I get them from time to time and have had them done to me by one training partner repeatedly when he stuffs the double under pass. Frame your arm where theirs would be, and squeeze...Hard.

 

[thegamer96]

You mean like a leg scissor on the head? Yes, you can choke someone like that although it's much lower percentage and less secure. And you don't lock the legs like a triangle.

There's also the "armless" triangle where you reach up and insert your own arm instead of theirs, which again is lower percentage but can work. Someone used it this past weekend at ADCC to get a sub, can't remember who.

Yeah, a leg scissor basically. I think it might be called a figure four, I was wondering how effective that would be and whether it'd be easier to escape that rather than a triangle.

 

[UpaLoompa]

Leg scissors don't really do anything, just turn your head.
No-arm triangles are quite legit, both the gi version using the collar and the no-gi version. I've never had much success with no-arms but lots of guys at my old gym were fantastic with them. They also work well from mount if someone tries to go out the backdoor.

 

[INTERL0PER]

Got tapped by that very move last week, but I've also escaped it plenty of times. He caught me in a terrible position and I was too tired to get out, so I tapped.

But it's usually far less secure than a normal triangle.

 

[Was Exiled]

Hate when people go for that shit when I do a double unders pass, all it does is hurt my scalp from your legs pulling my hair when I shuck them to one side.

 

[dmwalking]

Leg scissors don't really do anything, just turn your head.

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Go to 7:30. Leg scissors do a bit more than just turn your head. The can put people to sleep.

 

[dmwalking]

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Here's another fun one.

 

[UpaLoompa]

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Go to 7:30. Leg scissors do a bit more than just turn your head. The can put people to sleep.

There's always an exception. Dammit.

 

[Gambledub]

Yoshida uses it a lot as an extension of his crucifix game to control positions

 

[BJJ_Rage]

abraham Marte was the guy getting the armless triangle choke, but I think he used his arm to filled the space, so it wasnt really an armless triangle.

Now, to op, you wont be putting anyone to sleep if you triangle your legs around your opponents head, but, its a pretty legit technique, specially to transition to an armcrush, but you have to do a couple of things, if you stay square and just squeeze, that shit is going to give your partner some nasty cauliflower ears, but wont stop him escaping through the back door, nor much pressure is in it. Now, if you turn the corner 90 degrees, and do ryan's hall stomp and curl (well not so much the curl motion) motion while grabbing your shin, the pressure is INSANE, most people will tap in the gym, which sucks because I dont think people will tap in competition, but your aim should be to get to the armcrush, the pressure is enough to make them think on whatever but protecting his arm, so you go for the triangle, start "squeezing" as soon as you see a gap, you go for then underhook and armcrush, its basically exactly the same thing as a regular ryangle but with the arm out. It an awful awful position to be in it.

 

[Anthas]

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Here's another fun one.

I use it all the time and tap people with it no problem... It's actually a low risk high reward move that I love... The guard pass it's also easy and lazy...

 

[Tbone9]

There's always an exception. Dammit.

or two...

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Starts around the 2 min mark (also an example of horrible refereeing IMO)

 

[BJJ Coffee Drinker]

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Go to 7:30. Leg scissors do a bit more than just turn your head. The can put people to sleep.

this girl (and the kim couture vid) got really lucky to sleep somebody. I say its lucky to sleep someone because as you apply the head scissors, you have no reliable way to move the person's head in a manner where you are really choking them and not just cranking their neck. You can't slap it on and pressure it as a choke as you see fit, it really matters more on how the person receiving the head scissors moves/turns/retracts or not their own head positioning. the person applying the head scissors has no control over that.

you just slap it on and hope the other person moved the wrong way