Thoughts on adapting savate for mma or muay thai

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Looks pretty interesting and according to the instructor savate kicks should be hard to catch due to their linear motion plus they they pull them back if they almost get caught. According to the instructor savate it is pretty hard to get into the range of the saveteur with its long kicks but I'm skeptical because a lot of the kicks seem too lack stopping power except the ones to the lower leg.
 
I think missing the stopping power of Muay Thai could be a problem. I don't see any reason a savate fighter couldn't be successful in crossing over, but I think he thinks there is more of a difference between savate kicks and karate kicks for example, than there really is
 
I sparred several times with savate fella, by MT rules. Nothing outstanding. Average boxing, no clinch game, no knees or elbows. Nice stopping kicks, good footwork.
 
Savate initially was for da tech street, it means shoes, walking stick and gloves ( not boxing but these that gentlemans uses when is late autumn but not cold winter ).
later sport.
I had saw savate guy with good hands but he had competed also in boxing torunaments and looks that first for him was boxe, savate he picked up in his late teens. he had approx 80 am boxing fights.
 
some difference ofc is, savate = shoes, karate = orginally bare foot, okey, irl might be shoes or boots etc.
then ofc, preferable connecting surface areas are shoes basis, tips etc not like if with bare foot.
 
Dexter said:
I sparred several times with savate fella, by MT rules. Nothing outstanding. Average boxing, no clinch game, no knees or elbows. Nice stopping kicks, good footwork.
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Good evasive footwork or were they well rounded (cutting angles, closing the gap, lateral movement was smooth, etc)?
 
RabbitPunch36 said:
Good evasive footwork or were they well rounded (cutting angles, closing the gap, lateral movement was smooth, etc)?
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More like point karate type of movement - in & out, very fast on his feet, with little to no lateral moves, but that can be just that guy’s preferred style.
 
Wasn't the origin of Savate developed on the decks of ships? Unstable standing surfaces?

Been a while since I've studied that IQ.

There's the same side push kick to the hip to control distance in...old...pre Olympic TKD...that will throw you across the ring or disestablishing enough to throw of your offensive timing.

It looks like that's the concepts they're training in that clip.

Weird, all the TKD push kick tutorials are to the front now. Maybe the devolving from full contact of my day to scoring points of today?...Muay Thai does it to the side. Even better!

 
Why do people always want to adapt something else for sonething else?

Like kung fu for mt or mongolian wrestling for mt

Why not just do mt or whatever is your interest?

I doubt stadium guys in thailand think how to adapt anything else in mt

(Not downplaying you in anyway ts just my general thoughts)
 
Cole train said:
Why do people always want to adapt something else for sonething else?

Like kung fu for mt or mongolian wrestling for mt

Why not just do mt or whatever is your interest?

I doubt stadium guys in thailand think how to adapt anything else in mt

(Not downplaying you in anyway ts just my general thoughts)
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No offense taken and you have a good point. I do think the guy in the video was trying to teach savate for mma especially since I believe they are at Erik Paulsons gym or affiliate gym.
 
Dexter said:
I sparred several times with savate fella, by MT rules. Nothing outstanding. Average boxing, no clinch game, no knees or elbows. Nice stopping kicks, good footwork.
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Very strange outfits too, like being stuck in 1982

Cole train said:
Why do people always want to adapt something else for sonething else?

Like kung fu for mt or mongolian wrestling for mt

Why not just do mt or whatever is your interest?

I doubt stadium guys in thailand think how to adapt anything else in mt

(Not downplaying you in anyway ts just my general thoughts)
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Grass is greener on the other side approach

Like being married with an active sexual life and things are good, but wanting to try foursomes with fitness whores on IG
 
CFGroup said:
Wasn't the origin of Savate developed on the decks of ships? Unstable standing surfaces?

Been a while since I've studied that IQ.

There's the same side push kick to the hip to control distance in...old...pre Olympic TKD...that will throw you across the ring or disestablishing enough to throw of your offensive timing.

It looks like that's the concepts they're training in that clip.

Weird, all the TKD push kick tutorials are to the front now. Maybe the devolving from full contact of my day to scoring points of today?...Muay Thai does it to the side. Even better!

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Savate was origin was from French sailors. If i remeber correctly in England using a closed fist in a fight was actually considered a deadly weapon before Queensbury Rules. So Savate used the point of the boot to kick in all the nasty locations i.e. groin , arm pit, neck, etc. Savate also used slaps instead punching. In England the English considered kicking unsportsman like . Trying to use Savate for MT like Cole saiys...I dont see the point. Now learning their stop / check kick to the thigh that Bones uses, ya thats useful.
 
RabbitPunch36 said:
Looks pretty interesting and according to the instructor savate kicks should be hard to catch due to their linear motion plus they they pull them back if they almost get caught. According to the instructor savate it is pretty hard to get into the range of the saveteur with its long kicks but I'm skeptical because a lot of the kicks seem too lack stopping power except the ones to the lower leg.
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I think it's good, it can't hurt to learn some of it and add it to your arsenal.

Going back to when I trained under jkd guy. I can recall us working some savage stuff. Like body kick to side kick.
 
One of my old kickboxinginstructors had a background in Savate. I don't think the kicking combinations like shown in the video were very useful. I would rather say that's the easiest way to catch them. Block it like a teep and go forward and you will get the oppurtunity to catch them with your strikes. Or catch the kicks when they do roundhouse combinations.

The hardest part with savate was the footwork. My instructor always ended up with an dominant angle, didn't matter if he was the one attacking or defending he made sure he was on a angle were only he could strike.

CFGroup said:
Weird, all the TKD push kick tutorials are to the front now. Maybe the devolving from full contact of my day to scoring points of today?...Muay Thai does it to the side. Even better!

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Never seen this done in muay thai. This was the basic way my instructor showed us on how to use the sidekick. A lot of times when new guys from other gyms might visit this move was the most effective. Most people hadn't seen it before, rushed in and got a hard sidekick in the liver.
 
I think it can be very useful for da streetz if you are very good at it. With shoes on, I think a kick of one of those guys to the liver or to the solar plexus is deadly. Now, if you are not very good at it, it's just a recipe to get your kick caught and slammed on concrete lol, that's why I would never kick in a street fight unless I really know what I'm doing.
As far as mma or muay thai goes... I don't see much utility besides the stomp kicks. Their kicks lack stoping power, many are completely inapplicable (for instance they often throw tripple head kicks, with the knee being up all the time) so that I feel even the flashy TKD kicks would be better to learn, at least you can legitimately ktfo someone with those... Last but not least, getting used to kick with the foot isn't doing any good for you if you want to fight barefoot...

I think a good pressure kickboxer and good leg kicks (like a Joe Valtellini) would just walk through their kicks... They also don't seem to sit enough on their punches (nor do they on they kicks).
 
Love Savate! I did it for a bit back in Germany, great fun. I would echo that the footwork is amazing, as are the stomp kicks. Furthermore in my opinion Savate fighters are very good at weaving together very quick and confusing flurries of kicks and boxing.
 
I studied a little bit of what I could online. There's a full old school savate tutorial online
 
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