The way Rampage Jackson covers up

[tuff juice]

Am I imagining that or is it a real thing, Rampage doing that more than most other fighters?
He seems to do more exaggerated defense .. like bringing his elbows way up covering up his entire side face/head with his bicep/forearm:

Are there others that do that as often? Seems elbows usually stay down.

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

Sort've reminds me of some of the stuff I saw Joe Frazier do back in the day maybe:

Although he could weeve pretty good too;

 

[ARIZE]

Better cover from punches with small gloves to the head...but open for body shoots, and a bit harder to counter with the same hand.
Also, one of the benefits is to make the opponent punch the point of the elbow, hurting their hands.

 

[strike thought]

Ross Pearson.

I notice many fighters who are good at exchanges in the pocket tend to do this. I can see why it works though. It's a neat way to manipulate the opponent in order to open them up for counters.

 

[FierceRedBelt]

I was taught something like that when I first started martial arts but they used a more horizontal guard. You can find some footage of old fights where shorter/slower guys are able to walk down longer/faster/powerful punchers like that. But boxing has advanced beyond that being viable at this point and it'll get you hurt.

 

[DoctorTaco]

The local straight blast gym teaches something similar to this

 

[j123]

Better cover from punches with small gloves to the head...but open for body shoots, and a bit harder to counter with the same hand.
Also, one of the benefits is to make the opponent punch the point of the elbow, hurting their hands.

I was taught this style of blocking when I first started for MMA. It relies heavily with you retaliating ASAP. No more than 1-2 strike landing on the block. Its essentially the chicken-wing-block with both arms.
I find its better than the usual MT/boxing hands-in-front-crouched-into-gut, given the smaller sized gloves (in terms of solid coverage). With the normal block, straights will pierce the guard, and hooks will still come around and hit.

 

[Frode Falch]

The local straight blast gym teaches something similar to this

Yeah. Its the crazy monkey system. They did not invent that. They just put a name on it.

You will find same style of blocking in other, and older systems. Like muay boran or old muay thai.

 

[biscuitsbrah]

It works well for hooks if your head movement is too slow

 

[ARIZE]

I was taught this style of blocking when I first started for MMA. It relies heavily with you retaliating ASAP. No more than 1-2 strike landing on the block. Its essentially the chicken-wing-block with both arms.
I find its better than the usual MT/boxing hands-in-front-crouched-into-gut, given the smaller sized gloves (in terms of solid coverage). With the normal block, straights will pierce the guard, and hooks will still come around and hit.

Yeah, with the MMA gloves, you may protect your chin from a hook and get blasted in the ear with a more standard block, or as you said expect a straight to be blocked, but it manages to pierce through.

Forgot to mention another benefit, if the strike lands while you are moving your forearms up, it may deflects the opponents strike more than expected, making it slower to recover back the hand in a good defensive position.
You can see it in the second gif with the right hook of Silva.

 

[PivotPunch]

I know it under the name 52 blocks. Sinister has a video where he exchanges techniques with one of those guys

 

[sourdiesel209]

Im usually an out fighter, but this is my last layer of defense before clinching up if Im cornered and cant angle off.

 

[TehGwarch]

Am I imagining that or is it a real thing, Rampage doing that more than most other fighters?
He seems to do more exaggerated defense .. like bringing his elbows way up covering up his entire side face/head with his bicep/forearm:

Are there others that do that as often? Seems elbows usually stay down.

It worked because Chuck wings his arms in wide arcs leaving his face exposed. Chuck's face was open because of that looping shitty uppercut he threw leaving the whole left side of his body open like a barn door. Rampage should have ate a right coming out of that shitty crouch, he dropped his left hand leaving his face open and Chuck was loaded up for a right.

Sometimes things that work for a long time get you KO'd once you go up against someone who can take advantage of the weaknesses. That's why consistently fighting in a technically sound way with good habits is important or you end up like Chuck.

Most everything in this thread is total dogshit esp the cover yo head monkey blocking system. That has nothing to do with Muay Thai, Boran or anything Muay at all. Some guy invented it in his mom's basement. You have to learn how to parry or evade each strike, not cover up like a turtle.

Most of these guys are athletic and good at grappling or hit hard and the other fighters don't know much, that's why a guy like Chuck or Rampage could be champ...for a while.

 

[MB5161]

Looks like Rampage is aiming to hit the fist with his elbow. Hard to do, but it hurts when you connect. Plus, there's always a small chance of connecting your elbow with the other guy's jaw if he takes a sloppy step towards you. This technique comes from Filipino Martial arts.

 

[PivotPunch]

It worked because Chuck wings his arms in wide arcs leaving his face exposed. Chuck's face was open because of that looping shitty uppercut he threw leaving the whole left side of his body open like a barn door. Rampage should have ate a right coming out of that shitty crouch, he dropped his left hand leaving his face open and Chuck was loaded up for a right.

Sometimes things that work for a long time get you KO'd once you go up against someone who can take advantage of the weaknesses. That's why consistently fighting in a technically sound way with good habits is important or you end up like Chuck.

Most everything in this thread is total dogshit esp the cover yo head monkey blocking system. That has nothing to do with Muay Thai, Boran or anything Muay at all. Some guy invented it in his mom's basement. You have to learn how to parry or evade each strike, not cover up like a turtle.

Most of these guys are athletic and good at grappling or hit hard and the other fighters don't know much, that's why a guy like Chuck or Rampage could be champ...for a while.

In the case of the 52 blocks it's apparently boxing mixed with some prison/street fighting technique. But it isn't just "turtling" up it is a very active defence with lots of counters especially in Rampage's case. And Chuck#s uppercut wasn#t pretty but chances are that the counter would have hit anyway there is no real way of throwing an uppercut without exposing your face it's one the the most dangerous strikes to throw even if you throw it pretty

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

It worked because Chuck wings his arms in wide arcs leaving his face exposed. Chuck's face was open because of that looping shitty uppercut he threw leaving the whole left side of his body open like a barn door. Rampage should have ate a right coming out of that shitty crouch, he dropped his left hand leaving his face open and Chuck was loaded up for a right.

Sometimes things that work for a long time get you KO'd once you go up against someone who can take advantage of the weaknesses. That's why consistently fighting in a technically sound way with good habits is important or you end up like Chuck.

Most everything in this thread is total dogshit esp the cover yo head monkey blocking system. That has nothing to do with Muay Thai, Boran or anything Muay at all. Some guy invented it in his mom's basement. You have to learn how to parry or evade each strike, not cover up like a turtle.

Most of these guys are athletic and good at grappling or hit hard and the other fighters don't know much, that's why a guy like Chuck or Rampage could be champ...for a while.

I'm not a fan of crazy monkey but that guy Rodney King did train with Apidej who is a muay thai legend.

 

[TehGwarch]

In the case of the 52 blocks it's apparently boxing mixed with some prison/street fighting technique. But it isn't just "turtling" up it is a very active defence with lots of counters especially in Rampage's case. And Chuck#s uppercut wasn#t pretty but chances are that the counter would have hit anyway there is no real way of throwing an uppercut without exposing your face it's one the the most dangerous strikes to throw even if you throw it pretty

Prison/street fighting technique sucks monkey balls. I doubt it has anything to do with "boxing" but you're leaving yourself open to a whole bunch of other shit anyway by crouching like that.

You can easily throw an upper cut without leaving the side of your face open, you don't drop your hands down to your waist, you drop your body slightly and turn. The punch comes back immediately almost as if punching yourself.

Note that Chuck got punched way AFTER his punch landed because he started and finished with his hands nowhere near his face.

Chuck can't punch correctly.

 

[TehGwarch]

I'm not a fan of crazy monkey but that guy Rodney King did train with Apidej who is a muay thai legend.

Rodney King. lol

Lots of people trained with lots of people and lots of them are still dummies. Rodney can't fight his way out of a wet paper bag.

It's pretty stupid, you can punch right through that shit. Thais often aren't good at punching, I've seen this more than once.

 

[PivotPunch]

Prison/street fighting technique sucks monkey balls. I doubt it has anything to do with "boxing" but you're leaving yourself open to a whole bunch of other shit anyway by crouching like that.

Yes you can throw an upper cut without leaving the side of your face open. The punch comes back immediately almost as if punching yourself, you can't punch a guy who's already punching you. Chuck got punched way AFTER the punch landed because he started and finished with his hands nowhere near his face.

Chuck can't punch correctly.

Tons of ATG boxers crouched like that I guess they didnt get the memo.

No you can't throw an uppercut without opening yourself up. Any punch opens you up no punch is 100% safe but the uppercut is the most dangerous since your shoulder protects you much less than with other punches and since you have to drop your hand to punch regardless of how well executed it is.

Yes you can punch a guy who's already punching you and even if you don't counter simultenously if you time it right then it's impossible to get the hand back before the counter reaches you. it is impossible to get the hands back in time if your opponents times the counter well.
How are you supposed to there hasnt been a single person in the history of humanity who's fast enough to be impossible to counter especially when they throw an uppercut.

Chuck had ugly punching but to say that he would have been 100% sfae had he punched prettier is a wrong assumption

 

[TehGwarch]

Tons of ATG boxers crouched like that I guess they didnt get the memo.

No you can't throw an uppercut without opening yourself up. Any punch opens you up no punch is 100% safe but the uppercut is the most dangerous since your shoulder protects you much less than with other punches and since you have to drop your hand to punch regardless of how well executed it is.

Yes you can punch a guy who's already punching you and even if you don't counter simultenously if you time it right then it's impossible to get the hand back before the counter reaches you. it is impossible to get the hands back in time if your opponents times the counter well.
How are you supposed to there hasnt been a single person in the history of humanity who's fast enough to be impossible to counter especially when they throw an uppercut.

Chuck had ugly punching but to say that he would have been 100% sfae had he punched prettier is a wrong assumption

Except that's not what happened.

Chuck got KO'd for the exact reason I described. He needed to bring his hands back to his face where they should be and not all over the fucking place.

That's why he got exposed, it wasn't because of his "chin" it's because he blocked punches with his face. Power and ability to take a punch only gets you so far.

Also, the spaz crouch sucks, I don't particularly care who does it, this isn't boxing. Boxers get low kicked to shit because boxing sucks and boxers get mauled in MMA. Feel free to deliver that memo.