Elections The Real Reason Dems are Fighting Against Immigration Enforcement at all Costs - The Census and Political Power

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We keep hearing conspiracy theories that the Dems are fighting against immigration enforcement because they want future liberal voters. And that they want no voter ID laws so illegals can vote.

This is false and not the reason. Illegals are not voting, cannot vote and they're not playing a long game of 18 years hoping their future children will vote Democrat. This is a ridiculous conspiracy.

The real reason is the Census count that is coming soon.

1. The Census determines how many Electoral College votes and Congressional Representatives you get. The current rule is that seats and votes are determined by total people living in the state, rather than how many citizens or permanent residents.

2. Trump tried to change this counting, so it would only include legal residents during his last term, but that effort failed.

3. This political jockeying for power is what's happening in the background, but none of the news are really reporting it.

What would happen if all Illegals were either not counted for the Census or deported.

1. It will shift the balance of power in the country for decades. Possibly a 55% to 45% or even 60-40% red vs blue.

2. Huge population coastal states like NY, California and Illinois get a huge voting block due to raw population Census figures. Even a small swing will have drastic consequences in favor of red. The whole country will be red for a long, long time.

3. Alternatively, if all those new illegal arrivals stay and are counted, this will be a significant bonus of political power for blue states. Possibly even allowing Presidential elections to not be contingent on the rust belt states at all. They can be completely ignored.

The 3 largest sanctuary states fighting the hardest are California, Illinois and New York.

1. All three has faced significant population loss since Covid. During the last Census for example, New York lost 2 electoral votes and 2 Congressional Representatives and those went to Texas and Florida.

2. This increasing population loss is very worrying to sanctuary states - these 3 especially. And they need/want to replace this population loss by the next Census or else they'll lose even more political power.

3. Many illegals flock to these states for their population density, generous benefits given and sanctuary protections.

4. These 3 states are highly resistant to ICE enforcement even for violent criminal aliens. They even instruct their police to not honor ICE detainer requests even if they have an administrative warrant. They only honor it if ICE has a specific order from a judge for that specific person, which they can't ignore.

"A Detainer is a request from ICE to local jails or prisons to hold a potentially deportable person so they can pick them up."

5. Conversely from the Republican side, this is why you're having so much ICE enforcement happening in these 3 states in particular - they want to get these people out before the Census.

Red States like Texas and Florida also have a high amount of illegal immigrants that grant them political power. But they're not fighting against ICE detentions. Why?

1. This population loss is being mitigated because the large population exodus from states like California and New York are going to red states. Texas and Florida especially.

2. The National Democratic Redistricting Committee, has said it expects to see California, New York, Illinois, Rhode Island and other blue states lose seats under the traditional apportionment that will follow the 2030 Census.

3. That's why social media is never showing ICE protests and confrontations in states like Texas. The detentions are all happening at prisons and jails because there is cooperation with local police.

Side Effect of Increased Enforcement in Sanctuary States without ICE detainers honored

1. ICE is forced to go out into the streets and businesses instead of prisons, jails and courthouses, which is a safe place to detain someone.

2. When jails or prisons don't release the guy who just got a DUI who came in the last 2 years and not contributing to society, you have to go to their house or workplace.

3. This unfortunately leads to a lot of people getting caught up as collateral damage. No one wants to see abuela that has been here for years detained.

But when you go to an illegal in those places, ICE's hands are tied (legally.) They have to detain all the other people there too. The uncles, grandmas, wife, etc.


End result of this is unfortunate and will not change. There will be continued enforcement and continued fierce resistance with a lot of collateral damage.

That's how it will play out for 3 more years.
 
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It's was really funny when joe rogan's flock all ran back to cali when they realized what a shithole Texas is.

One of my buddies just moved to Texas earlier this year from California and within a month his family wanted to move back and they already put the house up for sale, lmao.
 
We keep hearing conspiracy theories that the Dems are fighting against immigration enforcement because they want future liberal voters. And that they want no voter ID laws so illegals can vote.

This is false and not the reason. Illegals are not voting, cannot vote and they're not playing a long game of 18 years hoping their future children will vote Democrat. This is a ridiculous conspiracy.

The real reason is the Census count that is coming soon.

1. The Census determines how many Electoral College votes and Congressional Representatives you get. The current rule is that seats and votes are determined by total people living in the state, rather than how many citizens or permanent residents.

2. Trump tried to change this counting, so it would only include legal residents during his last term, but that effort failed.

3. This political jockeying for power is what's happening in the background, but none of the news are really reporting it.

What would happen if all Illegals were either not counted for the Census or deported.

1. It will shift the balance of power in the country for decades. Possibly a 55% to 45% or even 60-40% red vs blue.

2. Huge population coastal states like NY, California and Illinois get a huge voting block due to raw population Census figures. Even a small swing will have drastic consequences in favor of red. The whole country will be red for a long, long time.

3. Alternatively, if all those new illegal arrivals stay and are counted, this will be a significant bonus of political power for blue states. Possibly even allowing Presidential elections to not be contingent on the rust belt states at all. They can be completely ignored.

The 3 largest sanctuary states fighting the hardest are California, Illinois and New York.

1. All three lost has faced population loss since Covid. During the last Census for example, New York lost 2 electoral votes and 2 Congressional Representatives and those went to Texas and Florida.

2. This increasing population loss is very worrying to sanctuary states - these 3 especially. And they need/want to replace this population loss by the next Census or else they'll lose even more political power.

3. Many illegals flock to these states for their population density, generous benefits given and sanctuary protections.

4. These 3 states are highly resistant to ICE enforcement even for violent criminal aliens. They even instruct their police to not honor ICE detainer requests even if they have an administrative warrant. They only honor it if ICE has a specific order from a judge for that specific person, which they can't ignore.

"A Detainer is a request from ICE to local jails or prisons to hold a potentially deportable person so they can pick them up."

5. Conversely from the Republican side, this is why you're having so much ICE enforcement happening in these 3 states in particular - they want to get these people out before the Census.

Red States like Texas and Florida also have a high amount of illegal immigrants that grant them political power. But they're not fighting against ICE detentions. Why?

1. This population loss is being mitigated because the large population exodus from states like California and New York are going to red states. Texas and Florida especially.

2. The National Democratic Redistricting Committee, has said it expects to see California, New York, Illinois, Rhode Island and other blue states lose seats under the traditional apportionment that will follow the 2030 Census.

3. That's why social media is never showing ICE protests and confrontations in states like Texas. The detentions are all happening at prisons and jails because there is cooperation with local police.

Side Effect of Increased Enforcement in Sanctuary States without ICE detainers honored

1. ICE is forced to go out into the streets and businesses instead of prisons, jails and courthouses, which is a safe place to detain someone.

2. When jails or prisons don't release the guy who just got a DUI who came in the last 2 years and not contributing to society, you have to go to their house or workplace.

3. This unfortunately leads to a lot of people getting caught up as collateral damage. No one wants to see abuela that has been here for years detained.

But when you go to an illegal in those places, ICE's hands are tied (legally.) They have to detain all the other people there too. The uncles, grandmas, wife, etc.


End result of this is unfortunate and will not change. There will be continued enforcement and continued fierce resistance with a lot of collateral damage. That's how it will play out for 3 more years.
Illegals wouldn't be counted in a census
 
I guess TS had never heard of Texas and Florida, states that famously don't have huge populations of illegal immigrants.

Maybe we should stop counting prisoners too when apportioning seats. Yet somehow red states never want that.
 
I guess TS had never heard of Texas and Florida, states that famously don't have huge populations of illegal immigrants.

Maybe we should stop counting prisoners too when apportioning seats. Yet somehow red states never want that.

That was already addressed. Those states population loss from illegals being counted are mitigated by the people moving in.

"The National Democratic Redistricting Committee, has said it expects to see California, New York, Illinois, Rhode Island and other blue states lose seats under the traditional apportionment that will follow the 2030 Census."

Illegals wouldn't be counted in a census

They're counted dude.
 
That was already addressed. Those states population loss from illegals being counted are mitigated by the people moving in.

"The National Democratic Redistricting Committee, has said it expects to see California, New York, Illinois, Rhode Island and other blue states lose seats under the traditional apportionment that will follow the 2030 Census."



They're counted dude.

"Hello ICE, im an illegal migrant and I live at 123 Fake street. Please come arrest me and send me to CECOT."
 
We keep hearing conspiracy theories that the Dems are fighting against immigration enforcement because they want future liberal voters. And that they want no voter ID laws so illegals can vote.

This is false and not the reason. Illegals are not voting, cannot vote and they're not playing a long game of 18 years hoping their future children will vote Democrat. This is a ridiculous conspiracy.

The real reason is the Census count that is coming soon.

1. The Census determines how many Electoral College votes and Congressional Representatives you get. The current rule is that seats and votes are determined by total people living in the state, rather than how many citizens or permanent residents.

2. Trump tried to change this counting, so it would only include legal residents during his last term, but that effort failed.

3. This political jockeying for power is what's happening in the background, but none of the news are really reporting it.

What would happen if all Illegals were either not counted for the Census or deported.

1. It will shift the balance of power in the country for decades. Possibly a 55% to 45% or even 60-40% red vs blue.

2. Huge population coastal states like NY, California and Illinois get a huge voting block due to raw population Census figures. Even a small swing will have drastic consequences in favor of red. The whole country will be red for a long, long time.

3. Alternatively, if all those new illegal arrivals stay and are counted, this will be a significant bonus of political power for blue states. Possibly even allowing Presidential elections to not be contingent on the rust belt states at all. They can be completely ignored.

The 3 largest sanctuary states fighting the hardest are California, Illinois and New York.

1. All three has faced significant population loss since Covid. During the last Census for example, New York lost 2 electoral votes and 2 Congressional Representatives and those went to Texas and Florida.

2. This increasing population loss is very worrying to sanctuary states - these 3 especially. And they need/want to replace this population loss by the next Census or else they'll lose even more political power.

3. Many illegals flock to these states for their population density, generous benefits given and sanctuary protections.

4. These 3 states are highly resistant to ICE enforcement even for violent criminal aliens. They even instruct their police to not honor ICE detainer requests even if they have an administrative warrant. They only honor it if ICE has a specific order from a judge for that specific person, which they can't ignore.

"A Detainer is a request from ICE to local jails or prisons to hold a potentially deportable person so they can pick them up."

5. Conversely from the Republican side, this is why you're having so much ICE enforcement happening in these 3 states in particular - they want to get these people out before the Census.

Red States like Texas and Florida also have a high amount of illegal immigrants that grant them political power. But they're not fighting against ICE detentions. Why?

1. This population loss is being mitigated because the large population exodus from states like California and New York are going to red states. Texas and Florida especially.

2. The National Democratic Redistricting Committee, has said it expects to see California, New York, Illinois, Rhode Island and other blue states lose seats under the traditional apportionment that will follow the 2030 Census.

3. That's why social media is never showing ICE protests and confrontations in states like Texas. The detentions are all happening at prisons and jails because there is cooperation with local police.

Side Effect of Increased Enforcement in Sanctuary States without ICE detainers honored

1. ICE is forced to go out into the streets and businesses instead of prisons, jails and courthouses, which is a safe place to detain someone.

2. When jails or prisons don't release the guy who just got a DUI who came in the last 2 years and not contributing to society, you have to go to their house or workplace.

3. This unfortunately leads to a lot of people getting caught up as collateral damage. No one wants to see abuela that has been here for years detained.

But when you go to an illegal in those places, ICE's hands are tied (legally.) They have to detain all the other people there too. The uncles, grandmas, wife, etc.


End result of this is unfortunate and will not change. There will be continued enforcement and continued fierce resistance with a lot of collateral damage.

That's how it will play out for 3 more years.
Did you write all this bullshit yourself to post on a karate forum?
 

"Hello ICE, im an illegal migrant and I live at 123 Fake street. Please come arrest me and send me to CECOT."

There are methods they use to count illegal immigrants. Don't know exactly how, but they do.

That is why Trump was trying to stop the practice during his last term for the 2020 Census. But it was challenged in court, so they managed to stop him.
 
There are methods they use to count illegal immigrants. Don't know exactly how, but they do.
How do you not know this? Seems like you've made a hobby of displaying disdain for immigrants and trannys. I'd think you'd nail down the basic facts behind your hatred if you're going to dedicate so much time to telling the world how much it bothers you.
 
That was already addressed. Those states population loss from illegals being counted are mitigated by the people moving in.

"The National Democratic Redistricting Committee, has said it expects to see California, New York, Illinois, Rhode Island and other blue states lose seats under the traditional apportionment that will follow the 2030 Census."
Which is quite the thin fig leaf to toss out centuries of constitutional history you've decide immigrants are bad now.

It's very simple: what does the constitution say about the census and how it should be conducted, particularly in regards to who is counted?
 
How do you not know this? Seems like you've made a hobby of displaying disdain for immigrants and trannys. I'd think you'd nail down the basic facts behind your hatred if you're going to dedicate so much time to telling the world how much it bothers you.

They've been doing it every Census. Why would Trump actively try to stop counting illegals if they weren't doing so?



Additionally, I never said they shouldn't count illegals for the Census. I believe they should.

I simply laying out WHY Trump does not want to count them and why the Dems are fighting it - for political power.

Which is quite the thin fig leaf to toss out centuries of constitutional history you've decide immigrants are bad now.

It's very simple: what does the constitution say about the census and how it should be conducted, particularly in regards to who is counted?

Show me where I said we shouldn't count illegals for the Census. I literally never said that nor do I believe that.

I'm simply showing the reasons why Trump and the Dems are fighting over this.

Did you write all this bullshit yourself to post on a karate forum?

Yes I don't copy and paste.
 
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If we don’t include illegals in congressional apportionment how can we combat climate change?

News flash: immigrants breathe and fart, too..
 
We keep hearing conspiracy theories that the Dems are fighting against immigration enforcement because they want future liberal voters.

Most of the immigrants Democrats champion are conservative. We've been telling you this for years and you ignore it until they have become citizens and vote conservative, when you laugh at us for not "knowing" what we already told you.

And that they want no voter ID laws so illegals can vote.

No, Voter ID laws make no difference other than to make it more difficult for some to vote. If conservatives would consent to new laws being screened to make sure they're fair no Democrats would object, but conservatives won't because the unfairness is the point.
 
Most of the immigrants Democrats champion are conservative. We've been telling you this for years and you ignore it until they have become citizens and vote conservative, when you laugh at us for not "knowing" what we already told you.

No, Voter ID laws make no difference other than to make it more difficult for some to vote. If conservatives would consent to new laws being screened to make sure they're fair no Democrats would object, but conservatives won't because the unfairness is the point.

This isn't the point of this thread.
 
Most of the immigrants Democrats champion are conservative. We've been telling you this for years and you ignore it until they have become citizens and vote conservative, when you laugh at us for not "knowing" what we already told you.



No, Voter ID laws make no difference other than to make it more difficult for some to vote. If conservatives would consent to new laws being screened to make sure they're fair no Democrats would object, but conservatives won't because the unfairness is the point.
I'm actually very conservative but actually "conservative'.
Voter id laws are trash. The government already has all of our pictures. I see no point in paying taxes for a service already provided. It's just a way to keep poor people from voting. You look at all the registration areas and places to get the ids, the poor have insane wait times and conditions.
Next you'll need a state ID to cross state borders. We got that real ID bullshit already. Then an id to cross local lines. With check points set up by ice to get those "dangerous illegals" look at DC. That's going to be any swing state come eoectik. Full of soldiers and paramilitary with constant check points and IDs needed anywhere there's a bunch of black people or brown or democrats

As far as the Census. They'd have to change the constitution or the scotus would have to rewrite it using hundreds of pages of bullshit to redefine a single article from 250 years ago.
That's my rant
 
It's not the "immigration enforcement" it's the blatantly illegal and inhumane methods used by the fascist Icestapo across the country.

Pretending your argument is genuine only makes you out to be a clown. Even YOU know you're full of shit.
 
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