The (Not-so-Secret) Way of Dealing with Cardio-based Fighters.

[Karate Kid]

cardio-based fighters as the title says, are fighters based ones who build there rounds around their gas-tank to usually decision-win themselves into victory. names include, Sheva, Nate Diaz, covington, volk and of course, Merab Dvaleshanviegley. my username is based on my own combat background to which mostly is in Kyokushin-kai to which we were heavily taught that headhunting is a fool's game and a sign of impatience. going for the body is the way to start off the multiple man kumite or several rounds with one person. Chudan in Karate implies the body level and GSP famously employed such principles in the first two rounds of his matches before his style evolved to incorporate more variety.

Saturday night we saw that in which Yan's critical success was his body hits against Merab, similarly to how Islam going for the calf against JDM compromised his famous boxing.

Merab has the best cardio tank of all time and i dont even think it's close. going for the body with formidable mid-roundhouse kicks against him compromised his cardio. the science behind that is when your recovery cost is higher the body requires more torque in your strikes to make up for the recovery deficit so therefore even a gas-tank like merab, is compromised. why? he has to put in more effort in what he throws and eventually that takes a toll.

k i swear this was supposed to have more to it in my head but...so uh...yea...go body strikes lol

 

[don't ask]

We get a lot of headhunting in the sloppy kickboxing matches the UFC loves, but god damn it's beautiful to see a skilled technician go to work on the body.

Old school boxing (bareknuckle, under London Prize Ring Rules, before Marquis of Queensbury rules) saw fighters prioritize the body until they fatigued their opponents enough to start looking for the knockout. They also knocked people out with a solar-plexus punch, which caused the heart to temporary malfunction, something that has been lost from modern boxing. II've always wondered if it would be possible with MMA gloves. (In addition to body work, bareknuckle boxers would also wear each other down with wrestling throws. I wish this kind of bareknuckle existed today.)

Anyways, I have to get back to work. I'm out of shitposting time.

 

[Ares Black]

Punch them in face

 

[Ares Black]

Punch them in body

 

[PrideNverDies]

That was a masterclass from Yan. Where are all the MMA casuals who were comparing Merab to GSP because DC and Rogan said so? Lmfao

 

[Tito Tapped]

That was a masterclass from Yan. Where are all the MMA casuals who were comparing Merab to GSP because DC and Rogan said so? Lmfao

To be fair , getting your ass kicked by Yan is a lot less embarrassing than getting it kicked by Johnny Hendricks

I for one am just glad we're just off that "it's unbeatable unless we change the rules" nonsense.

 

[MartiniSIDe]

Punch them in the dick

 

[Krimzon]

i wonder if Yan actually proved this theory ive been running with that wrestler's got glass bodies (CCC,merab, DC, Bo)

 

[Travis Alexander]

I came into this thread prepared to hate on whatever the take was….but to my surprise it is a solid take from a poster with experience in a martial art which I’ve always respected that has an emphasis on attacking the body. Hespect.

 

[Pierce 34]

We get a lot of headhunting in the sloppy kickboxing matches the UFC loves, but god damn it's beautiful to see a skilled technician go to work on the body.

Old school boxing (bareknuckle, under London Prize Ring Rules, before Marquis of Queensbury rules) saw fighters prioritize the body until they fatigued their opponents enough to start looking for the knockout. They also knocked people out with a solar-plexus punch, which caused the heart to temporary malfunction, something that has been lost from modern boxing. II've always wondered if it would be possible with MMA gloves. (In addition to body work, bareknuckle boxers would also wear each other down with wrestling throws. I wish this kind of bareknuckle existed today.)

Anyways, I have to get back to work. I'm out of shitposting time.

What work? we are sherdoggers

 

[Dr. Rose]

We get a lot of headhunting in the sloppy kickboxing matches the UFC loves, but god damn it's beautiful to see a skilled technician go to work on the body.

Old school boxing (bareknuckle, under London Prize Ring Rules, before Marquis of Queensbury rules) saw fighters prioritize the body until they fatigued their opponents enough to start looking for the knockout. They also knocked people out with a solar-plexus punch, which caused the heart to temporary malfunction, something that has been lost from modern boxing. II've always wondered if it would be possible with MMA gloves. (In addition to body work, bareknuckle boxers would also wear each other down with wrestling throws. I wish this kind of bareknuckle existed today.)

Anyways, I have to get back to work. I'm out of shitposting time.

They were also leery of breaking their hands early in a fight. Just curious, do you want them to 40-60 rounds that they also fought? I know it would never happen, but it would be interesting.

 

[cburm]

cardio-based fighters as the title says, are fighters based ones who build there rounds around their gas-tank to usually decision-win themselves into victory. names include, Sheva, Nate Diaz, covington, volk and of course, Merab Dvaleshanviegley. my username is based on my own combat background to which mostly is in Kyokushin-kai to which we were heavily taught that headhunting is a fool's game and a sign of impatience. going for the body is the way to start off the multiple man kumite or several rounds with one person. Chudan in Karate implies the body level and GSP famously employed such principles in the first two rounds of his matches before his style evolved to incorporate more variety.

Saturday night we saw that in which Yan's critical success was his body hits against Merab, similarly to how Islam going for the calf against JDM compromised his famous boxing.

Merab has the best cardio tank of all time and i dont even think it's close. going for the body with formidable mid-roundhouse kicks against him compromised his cardio. the science behind that is when your recovery cost is higher the body requires more torque in your strikes to make up for the recovery deficit so therefore even a gas-tank like merab, is compromised. why? he has to put in more effort in what he throws and eventually that takes a toll.

k i swear this was supposed to have more to it in my head but...so uh...yea...go body strikes lol

Well it woulda been better if this was posted before it happened but a former sherdog karate master is as legit as it gets sherdog brother I to knew this secrete.

 

[FlyAmericanEagle]

Merab Dvaleshanviegley.

 

[FlyAmericanEagle]

No one has ever thought to punch the opponent to the body, Yan was the first.

 

[AmonTobin]

"Hit the body and the head will follow". -Some wise man, before he was concussed several hundred times.

 

[VAfan]

or - improve your own cardio.

 

[don't ask]

They were also leery of breaking their hands early in a fight. Just curious, do you want them to 40-60 rounds that they also fought? I know it would never happen, but it would be interesting.

Rounds were measured differently back then: they weren't timed, a round simply ended whenever a fighter touched the ground. So every time you got knocked down, got thrown, or were getting pummeled (and needed to take a knee to escape) signaled the end of the round and you had 10 seconds (I'm pretty sure it was ten) to stand up at the line scratched in the sand (where we get the expression that someone is "up to scratch").

Anyways, in answer to your question, I'm not sure. They went until a fighter couldn't continue, which did result in some ludicrously long fights. I like the idea of it in theory (especially after watching Sak fight Royce for 90 minutes), but it seems impractical.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

it's simple. you beat their ass. i said it before. there is NOBODY immune to getting their ass kicked. they WILL get tired. because they're humans. it's that simple. all these other dudes standing around, thinking, trying to fight "technical" (more like point fight) style fights aren't going to win. you have to whip a motherfucker's ass and hope the damage you do slows them more than the energy you're using.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

Well it woulda been better if this was posted before it happened but a former sherdog karate master is as legit as it gets sherdog brother I to knew this secrete.

it shouldn't have to be. we saw O'Malley hurt Merab to the body in the first fight. it's only common sense to go back to it.

 

[Sticko]

the science behind that is when your recovery cost is higher the body requires more torque in your strikes to make up for the recovery deficit so therefore even a gas-tank like merab, is compromised. why? he has to put in more effort in what he throws and eventually that takes a toll.

This sentence reads like gobbledygook. No idea what that's supposed to mean.

What does "make up for the recovery deficit" mean?