The idea that low birth rates are bad needs to go.

[Der Eisbär]

A reduction in birth rates is the result of an educated and prosperous society.

This idea that we need to promote immigration to replace a dying population, or promote families having more children is completely insane.

The planet is fucking dying because of human activity. Forget climate change. The coral reefs are disappearing, the rain forests are being cut down, biodiversity is being destroyed and species are going extinct at an alarming rate because of human activity.

Low birth rates are the natural result of prosperous human civilization. The planet cannot fucking sustain us at our current population and consumption levels.

What is wrong with birth rates being low if the humans that ARE being born are more educated, living longer, and leading more fulfilling lives? The left and the right BOTH need to fuck off with this bullshit "OMG birth rates are so low! How can we keep expanding the economy if the labor force is disappearing? Oh I know, let's bring in millions of 3rd worlders and create a terrorism and rape epidemic!" or "OMG the muslim world is outpacing our birth rates!! We need to outbreed them! Promote Western people having more babies!!" FUCK OFF.

Economies should NATURALLY contract as populations become more educated, have fewer children, and the labor force shrinks. This idea that most people have that the economy needs to grow forever is literally suicidal. Until cheap, easy and wide ranging space travel is perfected we simply cannot grow the economy forever: it will lead to the extinction of the human race.

 

[Lead]

The global population boom is mostly already over. We should stabilize at around 11.

 

[ReAnimator Reagan]

A reduction in birth rates is the result of an educated and prosperous society.

Correlation does not imply causation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation



You are way to cluttered up here to be taken seriously. You just copy and pasted a bunch of shit

What is wrong with birth rates being low if the humans that ARE being born are more educated,*******, and leading more fulfilling lives?

Who is to say this is the case? What would be wrong with higher birth rates if this was the case?

Low birth rates are the natural result of prosperous human civilization. The planet cannot fucking sustain us at our current population and consumption levels.

Proof?

The Unrealized Horrors of Population Explosion
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/01/us/the-unrealized-horrors-of-population-explosion.html?mcubz=0

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2011/05/gary-north/the-overpopulation-hoax/



CLIFFS: TS will never have offspring and is trying to justify it to his mind.

 

[Der Eisbär]

The global population boom is mostly already over. We should stabilize at around 11.

An additional 4 billion people on top of the already massive and unsustainable 7 billion is hardly reassuring.

 

[Lead]

An additional 4 billion people on top of the already massive and unsustainable 7 billion is hardly reassuring.

I don't know if it's unsustaibable. That's dependent far more on innovation with making agriculture and other services more efficient which I don't see why that wouldn't be possible. What is more concerning to me is governments/ societies planning for level population growth. This impacts social programs as well as the economy. There is such a demand for GDP growth to occur but with a level population, it isn't a guarantee.

 

[AviatorShades]

Low birthrates would be good for the environment in a vacuum scenario where those were the only two factors.

They are not good when highly stable populations enter a population spiral and the poorest regions on Earth see the largest population boom in the history of our species, washing over neighboring regions.

To just call growth or shrinkage good/bad it would need to be taking place as a global uniform rate.

 

[ripskater]

I think low birth rates is a symptom of a problem. Maybe a number of problems.

 

[SaiWa]

I think low birth rates is a symptom of a problem. Maybe a number of problems.

Such as?

 

[Amerikuracana]

Being that the population absolutely without question cannot keep growing atbthe current rate, of course this is correct.

 

[Der Eisbär]

You are way to cluttered up here to be taken seriously. You just copy and pasted a bunch of shit

Sure, posting evidence to support my claims is "copying and pasting a bunch of shit"

Who is to say this is the case? What would be wrong with higher birth rates if this was the case?

Who is to say that what is the case? You're denying that human beings in the developed world lead more fulfilling lives than in ages past? Are you serious right now?
As to what is wrong with high birth rates if people are living more fulfilling lives, I've already posted what is wrong with that. Human activity is destroying the planet and ensuring our extniction as a species. Is that something you're okay with?

Proof?

The Unrealized Horrors of Population Explosion
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/01/us/the-unrealized-horrors-of-population-explosion.html?mcubz=0

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2011/05/gary-north/the-overpopulation-hoax/

That's hilarious. You accuse me of 'copying and pasting a bunch of shit' (when actually I just posted data supporting my claims) then you turn around and do just that. Post links, to some articles, to make your arguments for you.

You want proof of two of the most empirically proven causations? Well, I already posted proof in the OP of our impact on the planet. As for the education and prosperity equating to low birth rates, even though that is highly documented and already 100% proven, here's this:
http://grist.org/population/2011-05-12-education-leads-to-lower-fertility-and-increased-prosperity/
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3347962?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

CLIFFS: TS will never have offspring and is trying to justify it to his mind.

I will be having 1-2 children. Kindly eat a dick.

 

[ripskater]

Such as?

People aren't getting married at near the rates that we did 50-60 years ago. Which I think is actually an indicator of a bigger problem or problems.

I don't think all people should get married though, but I don't think this trend is good for our society.

 

[Der Eisbär]

I think low birth rates is a symptom of a problem. Maybe a number of problems.

low birth rates are 100% an indictation of an educated and prosperous society. there is an empirical correlation between poverty/struggle and high birth rates. this correlation can be seen throughout nature/other animal species. reproduction only needs to be high when you're struggling to survive. when life is comfortable and good, it is natural for birth rates to decline.

 

[Thunderflash500]

I agree with the op. GDP will go down, sure. But GDP per capita goes UP. The black death was good economically for the poor. Until then the poor were worthless. After the black death there were fewer and they gained value. Gained bargaining power.

Europe is damning themselves to high crime rates, terrorism and poverty by bringing in anti European immigrants. For what? So the poor get paid less? Japan is dealing with the issue now and it'll pay off later.

Look at the Jewish culture. They are never a majority. There aren't that many of them. Yet they dominate every society they enter. It's much more effective for a culture to be educated, rather than some multicultural mash up of millions.

 

[ripskater]

low birth rates are 100% an indictation of an educated and prosperous society. there is an empirical correlation between poverty/struggle and high birth rates. this correlation can be seen throughout nature/other animal species. reproduction only needs to be high when you're struggling to survive. when life is comfortable and good, it is natural for birth rates to decline.

I can't argue that you're wrong with that statement.

But there are some problems with our educated and prosperous society and with what it has done to our young people.

 

[Der Eisbär]

Low birthrates would be good for the environment in a vacuum scenario where those were the only two factors.

They are not good when highly stable populations enter a population spiral and the poorest regions on Earth see the largest population boom in the history of our species, washing over neighboring regions.

To just call growth or shrinkage good/bad it would need to be taking place as a global uniform rate.

Then what we should be doing as a country is taking the bill and melinda gates foundation approach and be seeking to educate and stabilize populations in the undeveloped world, rather than destabilizing entire regions through warfare and sanctions further driving up birth rates in those places.

 

[TheGreatA]

The problem is that the current economic model cannot support a population decline, as it would lead to a crash in the economy, which is why "replacement migration" has come to be generally acknowledged as the "vaccine" to the problem, despite being, as you have said, an insane idea. Perhaps one of the most insane ideas ever invented, next to extermination camps.

We must seek models, of societies, that can support gradual population decline, without rendering the population impotent and vulnerable to being invaded by the still-exploding populations, which will inevitably seek new lands to occupy once their own are consumed of resources (the signs of which we have already seen during the recent immigrant wave).

We are going to have to ask the hard questions of ourselves, which is why it is unfortunate that society has moved into the direction of advocating emotional fragility. But it is all a facade. Everybody, deep down, understands that their ceaseless need for comfort, for "safe-zones", for a fragment of emotional stability, spawns from the uncomfortable realities that we must all face during our lifetimes. Tough decisions will have to be made. Not all humanitarian decisions, at this point.

We ought to, for once, acknowledge that man was developed, morally, to be the protector of biodiversity, rather than its annihilator.

 

[Der Eisbär]

I can't argue that you're wrong with that statement.

But there are some problems with our educated and prosperous society and with what it has done to our young people.

I can't argue with that either. Maybe millenial fucktards evolutionary purpose is to destabilize the world, create massive strife and struggle, which will drive up birth rates and keep the cycle going. If that's the case then GG.

 

[ripskater]

I can't argue with that either. Maybe millenial fucktards evolutionary purpose is to destabilize the world, create massive strife and struggle, which will drive up birth rates and keep the cycle going. If that's the case then GG.

Yeah, everything probably goes in cycles.

 

[CauseImbetta]

A reduction in birth rates is the result of an educated and prosperous society.

This idea that we need to promote immigration to replace a dying population, or promote families having more children is completely insane.

The planet is fucking dying because of human activity. Forget climate change. The coral reefs are disappearing, the rain forests are being cut down, biodiversity is being destroyed and species are going extinct at an alarming rate because of human activity.

Low birth rates are the natural result of prosperous human civilization. The planet cannot fucking sustain us at our current population and consumption levels.

What is wrong with birth rates being low if the humans that ARE being born are more educated, living longer, and leading more fulfilling lives? The left and the right BOTH need to fuck off with this bullshit "OMG birth rates are so low! How can we keep expanding the economy if the labor force is disappearing? Oh I know, let's bring in millions of 3rd worlders and create a terrorism and rape epidemic!" or "OMG the muslim world is outpacing our birth rates!! We need to outbreed them! Promote Western people having more babies!!" FUCK OFF.

Economies should NATURALLY contract as populations become more educated, have fewer children, and the labor force shrinks. This idea that most people have that the economy needs to grow forever is literally suicidal. Until cheap, easy and wide ranging space travel is perfected we simply cannot grow the economy forever: it will lead to the extinction of the human race.

Heard of the economist Thomas Malthus? He had the same prediction as you 100 years ago and was wrong. He said we will all die out due to over population.

 

[ripskater]

I can't argue with that either. Maybe millenial fucktards evolutionary purpose is to destabilize the world, create massive strife and struggle, which will drive up birth rates and keep the cycle going. If that's the case then GG.

I think when society gets too comfortable, we get weak.

We need to struggle a bit to stay strong.