The Art of the Precision Rifle

[Chesten_Hesten]

One of my shooting buddies:

Loaned me a video recently.

The Art of the Precision Rifle put out by magpul international.

Here's a trailer:




Its 10hrs of vids with 35 minutes of really excellant info.

Todd Hodnett, the Texas hillbilly in there is quite good, along with some former Marine Sniper.

Hodnett lives out in the shit plains of Texas where there's pretty much nothing but nothing from horizon to horizon, and so has much experience trying to sling lead as far as one can see. he's got some good tips on positions, as well as a lot of info utilizing the Horus scope reticle, and PDA.

To get an idea what a horus reticle is have a look at the link below.

http://horusvision.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/how-to-use-the-h58-reticle-by-todd-hodnett/


He explains other shit too, like how to half assed clean your rifle:



Or not clean it once the barrel's worn out, kinda like having a 15 year old lawnmower, where you just add gas an oil cause if you dare fix anything at that point its sure to fall apart.

The Marine talked about stuff like, for a 450 meter zero, on a 18 inch target, you can use that same aiming point for a target of the same size from say 367-490 meters and still get a hit. (don't quote me on those numbers, I made'em up)

Aside from all the running math I'd say its worth watching for free, or at a heavy discount if you can find it.

Hodnett runs some shooting school for $300 a day apparently.

http://www.accuracy1stdg.com/

his talk about shooting from a bipod was interesting. He talked about loading the bipod, (applying a bit of forward pressure against it) to achieve a consistent recoil.

Interesting enough I wanna test the theory at the local 1000 yard match this weekend in Shit-Town.

That's it

Carry on as you were.

 

[infinitywarrior]

One of my shooting buddies:

Loaned me a video recently.

The Art of the Precision Rifle put out by magpul international.

Here's a trailer:




Its 10hrs of vids with 35 minutes of really excellant info.

Todd Hodnett, the Texas hillbilly in there is quite good, along with some former Marine Sniper.

Hodnett lives out in the shit plains of Texas where there's pretty much nothing but nothing from horizon to horizon, and so has much experience trying to sling lead as far as one can see. he's got some good tips on positions, as well as a lot of info utilizing the Horus scope reticle, and PDA.

To get an idea what a horus reticle is have a look at the link below.

http://horusvision.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/how-to-use-the-h58-reticle-by-todd-hodnett/


He explains other shit too, like how to half assed clean your rifle:



Or not clean it once the barrel's worn out, kinda like having a 15 year old lawnmower, where you just add gas an oil cause if you dare fix anything at that point its sure to fall apart.

The Marine talked about stuff like, for a 450 meter zero, on a 18 inch target, you can use that same aiming point for a target of the same size from say 367-490 meters and still get a hit. (don't quote me on those numbers, I made'em up)

Aside from all the running math I'd say its worth watching for free, or at a heavy discount if you can find it.

Hodnett runs some shooting school for $300 a day apparently.

http://www.accuracy1stdg.com/

his talk about shooting from a bipod was interesting. He talked about loading the bipod, (applying a bit of forward pressure against it) to achieve a consistent recoil.

Interesting enough I wanna test the theory at the local 1000 yard match this weekend in Shit-Town.

That's it

Carry on as you were.

Sounds interesting. I recently watched a video series by Magpul dynamics called Art of the Dynamic Shotgun, i was really impressed. Excellent info, only thing that pissed me off is that if was sponsored by Remington. Basically they propped the 870 and Benelli the whole time and ignored and even dissed the Mossberg 500 a bit. Other than that was a very informative vid series. I imagine the rifle series is really well done as well.

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

They gotta pay the bills....

That's why I say it's 10hrs of vid with 35 minutes of good info. A lot of the rest is blah, blah, etc.

I think location is huge for really getting the proper experience for long ass range shooting.

Hodnett is really a product of his environment.

Prolly best way for the average goon to replicate such stuff would be to shoot sparrows at 100 + meters with an air gun.

There's bound to be some goons like that in Canada eh? Shooting mountain to mountain n what not? bound to be....

 

[infinitywarrior]

They gotta pay the bills....

That's why I say it's 10hrs of vid with 35 minutes of good info. A lot of the rest is blah, blah, etc.

I think location is huge for really getting the proper experience for long ass range shooting.

Hodnett is really a product of his environment.

Prolly best way for the average goon to replicate such stuff would be to shoot sparrows at 100 + meters with an air gun.

There's bound to be some goons like that in Canada eh? Shooting mountain to mountain n what not? bound to be....

Most definitely, especially out here in the prairies. In Saskatchewan and Alberta there are large stretches of farmland and open spaces that are sparsely populated. Here in SK not many mountains but usually you can find a long stretch ending in a sizable berm to stop the shot. In Alberta, if your near the mountains i'm sure you could find lots of golden spots to do long distance drills if you got the ok from the land owner.

 

[Irish_Car_Bomb]

Good shit on the original post. After that I kind of skimmed down without reading names or posts and it stopped on on a shotgun video. How did I know it was going to be an infinitywarrior post without even reading? Lol, good stuff too though. On a side note and not to jack Hesten's thread, I dislike Remington and Mossberg purists. Both guns are solid and equal IMO. As someone who has owned both, I prefer the Mossberg safety, no shell gate and dual extractor, while preferring the Remington steel receiver for a sturdier feel and the modifications you can do to the mag tube of a non screw in barrel config. Both serve an equal purpose IMO.

 

[xPINKx]

I watched the whole thing this winter, because I was lonely and the hillbilly mixed with the surroundings were calming and comforting.

 

[infinitywarrior]

Good shit on the original post. After that I kind of skimmed down without reading names or posts and it stopped on on a shotgun video. How did I know it was going to be an infinitywarrior post without even reading? Lol, good stuff too though. On a side note and not to jack Hesten's thread, I dislike Remington and Mossberg purists. Both guns are solid and equal IMO. As someone who has owned both, I prefer the Mossberg safety, no shell gate and dual extractor, while preferring the Remington steel receiver for a sturdier feel and the modifications you can do to the mag tube of a non screw in barrel config. Both serve an equal purpose IMO.

LOL, i suppose i do favor the shotgun often :icon_lol:. I agree with you, I'm not a big fan of purists either. I would be happy with either a Remington or a Mossberg. I prefer a mossberg, personally because i like where the action bar release is, the elevator that goes flush, the safety, dual extractors and the screw that allows for a bit easier dissasembly in the action. However, that's my preference, i dont' think the Moss is any "better". I think it comes down to personal preference. In a perfect world i would own both, and maybe a Winchester SXP to boot haha.

 

[infinitywarrior]

Sorry Hesten, i will STFU about shotguns, this is a rifle thread. Everything is not about shotguns i guess :icon_lol:

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

Sorry Hesten, i will STFU about shotguns, this is a rifle thread. Everything is not about shotguns i guess

no worries. Who cares anyways, this is the internet, everything is everything and anywhere is anywhere.

Here's a pair of tits hanging from a tree!

 

[infinitywarrior]

no worries. Who cares anyways, this is the internet, everything is everything and anywhere is anywhere.

Here's a pair of tits hanging from a tree!

I like your style sir :icon_twis

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

So Sunday, I went to a 1000 yard match to test out the techniques that hillbilly cat was thowin down in that video.

I took my Carlos Hamhock pre-64 model 70 Winchester, in 30'06.

Here's a pic of the range that morning. Somewhere, about 300 yards back of the fog are the target numbers:

Later when the fog began to clear, (camera on zoom):

Anyway, utilizing the videos firing technique, with a bipod and rear rest I was able to achieve:



DEAD FUCKING LAST!!!!

I mean DEAD FUCKING LAST!!! Ha ha!!!

I never been dead last in any shooting match, ever! ha ha.



Now to be honest, in the video they were just trying to hit a steel target. once, twice maybe.

In a match, the goal is to hit a .5moa Xring and or a 1moa ten ring, 60 times in a row.

Quite a different feat.


Where was the breakdown?

The fucking bipod. The bounce was worth about 2moa. 20 inches. Only so much load could be placed on the bipod before it would slip anyhow. and even it did stay put, it was only good for about 3 shots before the recoil damaged that spot in the ground, and you'd need to move it.

Sometimes I'd load it, anticipate the 2moa jump, but wouldn't get.


Totally inconsistent for "real" precision shooting.

I could have shot much better with a sling.

I have some ideas on how to make it all work. need to dick with it some, then I'll post my findings.

Seems 1000 yard F class has turned into an equipment race. Morons with $10K worth of rifle and machine rest, thinking they got skillz.

One of the extreme dummies started giving me advice, on what to buy, and how to shoot, and on and on. My "good friend" hearing, started chiming in: "yeah, that's what I was trying to tell you, what'a you a dumbass?"

Fuck. Dead last to a bunch of imbeciles....

Fucking magpul!!!!

 

[tatakai]

hahahahaha, i feel bad, but your post makes me laugh


i've never really dallied in precision shooting so i can't comment, but i do enjoy magpul vids. or at least costa and haley

my only problem is that its like taking advice from a professional athelete/superstar. Some of it is more complex than it needs to be. The drills and stuff they do in the carbine vids are great through, to bad you need to take a 4/500 dollar course to be able to do them yourself, unless you're on private land


i really wanna check out their shotgun video, though the whole slug changeover makes me wince sometimes


and yes, i agree, 'purists' of any kind generally lose esteem in my opinion. my buddy's wingmaster is sexy and smooth. my 590 is heavy and less refined.

neither have failed us, and when you're pumping rounds down range under stress the shit doesn't matter anyway

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I've watched all the magpul dynamics training videos, and I'd say all the drills they demonstrate are on the level. Can't quite say the same for the precision rifle video, I've never shot one of those rifles.

BTW, before laying down the serious cash for each program, watch them once via torrent download to see if they're worth your money.

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

Can't quite say the same for the precision rifle video, I've never shot one of those rifles.

I'd say its on the level. They're telling the truth, but keeping it slight. They didn't want to go into the fact you need to familiarize yourself with that style of shooting.

If I was shooting at the same target they were in the vid I'd have hit 56 out of 60.

10 ring in the match was only an 1MOA, though so it was more difficult.

My lack of consistency was all in the recoil management.

The stock on my '06 isn't like the standard prone stocks you see, like so:

This type stock may recoil different and require a slightly different recoil management than mine.

Curious to see how my tubegun reacts with the bipod. Will try it tomorrow.

I'm sure with some minor tweaking and fiddle farting I'll have it figgered.

 

[tatakai]

also, hesten, it's cool to see a long range guy keeping it classy

a club near my (goes out to 600 yards, which is huge out my way) hosts montly precision/carbine shoots. i do the carbine stuff but just checking out the gear the precision guys have makes me whistle, looks like thousands of dollars worth of shit, crazy stocks, pods, scopes that cost more than my whole collection, match ammo....jeez

makes me happy with my carbine, thats for sure

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

Yeah, from what I saw at that match, (my last 1000 yard match was in 2007) it's turned to something of an equipment race.

Shit like this:

And while yes, 1000 yards is a long way however you do it, let's be honest, you don't have to be a great shot to score well if you're running a machine rig like this.


Tried my tubegun with a bipod Saturday, but my digital camera went belly up so no pics. It recoils less than the '06 so was easier to manage, plus the ground on my range was softer so the bipod dug in more allowing me to load the bipod much more.

incidentally, there's a shooting chick out there that keeps a blog about slinging lead.
It be here:

http://www.30calgal.com/tag/anette-wachter/

 

[tatakai]

good heavens, i would kiss her on the mouth.


i hear you about equipment race. a guy i shoot with is a bmw salesman, and i swear everytime i see him he's got something new. i guess being a single man in your 30s working at bmw gives you lots of extra scratch.

last carbine shoot i shot with him his ar scope mount came loose or some such, so he brought out his backup gun.
his backup gun was a fucking suppressed scar17 replete with acog and so on.

sadness.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Yeah, from what I saw at that match, (my last 1000 yard match was in 2007) it's turned to something of an equipment race.

Shit like this:

And while yes, 1000 yards is a long way however you do it, let's be honest, you don't have to be a great shot to score well if you're running a machine rig like this.


Tried my tubegun with a bipod Saturday, but my digital camera went belly up so no pics. It recoils less than the '06 so was easier to manage, plus the ground on my range was softer so the bipod dug in more allowing me to load the bipod much more.

incidentally, there's a shooting chick out there that keeps a blog about slinging lead.
It be here:

http://www.30calgal.com/tag/anette-wachter/

That stock is fucking gorgeous.