Teeping an attacker with a knife

[IFightUFC100]

before anyone says "just run like usain bolt!" or "hand him your wallet"... just imagine your backed in a dark alley and here comes this dude with a knife after you, would it be safe ( asuming your not an overweight videogamer) to time a muay thai teep to the chest or face maybe, or would it be fairly easy to just slash your leg and now your even more fucked cuz you cant run

 

[Jimmy Tuna**]

You said it. It could work unless he slashed you in the leg. Or it just doesn't phase bc he's pumped up on adrenaline and possibly drunk or high.

 

[nostradumbass]

If you're backed into an alley, you can't run anyway so the leg slash wouldn't be the problem. If you're going to throw a kick I'd kick his ankles and try to sweep his legs out. He won't stab that low and then you can run.

 

[Minowafanatic]

only viable if you train UFC..or kickboxing or something

wouldnt a teep be better than a low kick as it makes it harder to close that distance? just my thoughts

 

[IFightUFC100]

If you're backed into an alley, you can't run anyway so the leg slash wouldn't be the problem. If you're going to throw a kick I'd kick his ankles and try to sweep his legs out. He won't stab that low and then you can run.

right, the jon jones approach would be more appropriate

 

[krait]

I think a teep would be risky kick. Exposes you to leg being caught now they can slash at inner thigh and get femoral, behind knee, achilles tendon. get slashed on any of those spots and your done.

Unless you have an unnatural fast kick I think the risk to benefit is too much. You lose all mobility when kicking . Besides that a teep is only gonna work once maybe and now what. Even the low kick is kinda risky because now your upper body is exposed to a stab or slash.

Personally I'd rather keep my feet under me and be able to use my hands. I'd trade a slashed arm over a leg any day. At least if my arm is slashed if the opportunity opened up I could still run. With a slashed leg you just aren't going to get very far.

If your stuck in an alley I say stay off the wall as long as possible force the engagement while you had some room to manuever and look for the first chance to out of there. Worst case. Sacrifice an arm cut to get control of the knife hand even for afew seconds. Circle and get out of the alley.

Of course this is all theorectical for me. Never been cornered in an alley by a guy with a knife. If it did happen the assaulter may not like the fact that he brought a knife to a gun fight. 13 rounds of 9mm are pretty good odds against an knife attacker.

 

[KneetoLiver]

in all honesty, if you haven't really trained that kick(even if you are good shape), you'd probably get slashed.

depending on who it is, it may surprised the attacker, though.

 

[aries]

I think a teep would be risky kick. Exposes you to leg being caught now they can slash at inner thigh and get femoral, behind knee, achilles tendon. get slashed on any of those spots and your done.

Unless you have an unnatural fast kick I think the risk to benefit is too much. You lose all mobility when kicking . Besides that a teep is only gonna work once maybe and now what. Even the low kick is kinda risky because now your upper body is exposed to a stab or slash.

I know I wouldn't low kick. A low kick is not a stopper or a distance creator and an attacker can easily crash through a low kick. What do you do after the teep? Hit him with whatever you can follow up with. An opponent on his heels is much easier to floor, easier to hit and you have a fraction of a second before he can regain his balance and forward momentum to attack again.

In MT one of my fav combos is teep, high kick or teep, step up knee but I wouldn't use them against a knife attacker, I'd probably go for teep, rear cross/OH

 

[Ninja Realist]

Here's a little experiment you can try, OP.

First throw a teep. The, see how many stabs you can make in that same amount of time.

This is the problem in fighting a knife wielding attacker. They don't have to put very much power behind their attacks, whereas you do. So their attacks will be much faster than yours, even if your opponent is completely untrained.

Therefore, if you get into a melee with a knife-wielding assailant, you're going to get cut and badly: maybe even bad enough that you bleed out before help comes. This is why you should always carry some kind of melee weapon when walking around in dangerous places.

If you had an asp or a blackjack, it would really turn the tables.

 

[aries]

^ If I see the knife I'll beat him to the first strike with a teep because I have the range. If you don't see the knife then even a gun or a sword won't be of any use.

And in my country blackjacks and asps will get you locked up. Better than being stabbed you say? Well I've never been stabbed but I've been stopped and searched many times. So I would have had a criminal record by now and long spells of unemployment if I carried a melee weapon as you put it. I just avoid walking in dangerous places.

 

[Ninja Realist]

^ If I see the knife I'll beat him to the first strike with a teep because I have the range. If you don't see the knife then even a gun or a sword won't be of any use.

And in my country blackjacks and asps will get you locked up. Better than being stabbed you say? Well I've never been stabbed but I've been stopped and searched many times. So I would have had a criminal record by now and long spells of unemployment if I carried a melee weapon as you put it. I just avoid walking in dangerous places.

That sucks. I have heard other people tell me this. I guess I'm lucky to live in a place where I don't have to consent to random frisking. Also, my blackjack is a master lock placed in my jacket pocket. Pretty hard to get me on a weapons charge for that.

I see you live in the UK. What if he is hopped up on mephedrone? Do you really think you can stop him with a teep?

 

[krait]

^ If I see the knife I'll beat him to the first strike with a teep because I have the range. If you don't see the knife then even a gun or a sword won't be of any use.

And in my country blackjacks and asps will get you locked up. Better than being stabbed you say? Well I've never been stabbed but I've been stopped and searched many times. So I would have had a criminal record by now and long spells of unemployment if I carried a melee weapon as you put it. I just avoid walking in dangerous places.

I think your missing the point of what a few of us are concerned with. Yes you have the range with a teep to protect you torso. But not your leg. And if you take a wound to your leg you've got serious problems because any chance of escape just disappeared.

If you really want to see if you can beat them to the first strike and get away clean try this for a test. Get a fake rubber training knife or any thing rubber to be safe. Cover it in a colored chalk and put on some light colored clothes. Get a friend and test it out. You'll see on you clothes from the chalk where they make contact.

I don't claim to be a hand to knife fighting expert. But in the classes I took years back. I never heard anyone mention using a kick as a preferred strike when dealing with an attacker with a knife.

 

[JerkWeed]

I'm no expert but don't you normally teep with your feet?

Are you saying you would tie a knife to your foot?

 

[krait]

I'm no expert but don't you normally teep with your feet?

Are you saying you would tie a knife to your foot?

The op question was if someone else was attacking you and you had no weapon , would a teep kick be useful to fend off the person with the knife.

 

[JerkWeed]

The op question was if someone else was attacking you and you had no weapon , would a teep kick be useful to fend off the person with the knife.

Oh, well in that case I do think a shoe knife would be a good way to fend them off.

 

[aries]

I see you live in the UK. What if he is hopped up on mephedrone? Do you really think you can stop him with a teep?

What a teep by itself? No, as I said it's the follow up strikes or the time it buys you to escape or grab an equaliser. But I certainly think I can stop his advance or at best knock him on his backside.

I think your missing the point of what a few of us are concerned with. Yes you have the range with a teep to protect you torso. But not your leg. And if you take a wound to your leg you've got serious problems because any chance of escape just disappeared.

If you really want to see if you can beat them to the first strike and get away clean try this for a test. Get a fake rubber training knife or any thing rubber to be safe. Cover it in a colored chalk and put on some light colored clothes. Get a friend and test it out. You'll see on you clothes from the chalk where they make contact.

I don't claim to be a hand to knife fighting expert. But in the classes I took years back. I never heard anyone mention using a kick as a preferred strike when dealing with an attacker with a knife.

No I'm aware of that I just don't think it's that much of an issue. I could however be wrong. I admit I haven't done a marker drill against a teep. But I highly doubt an attacker would be expecting a teep, and slashing my leg would be hard enough if they were expecting it let alone with no warning. A teep goes out and then straight back, it's as fast as a straight punch. How many people can slash someone's arm on a straight punch? Unless the knife attacker has drilled slashing people firing thrust kicks at his mid section I doubt he's going to react and try and stab/slash my leg let alone be successful at it.

I'm not a knife expert either but since my best defence against a fast straight arm attack is the teep that's why I'd employ it against a fast straight knife attack. I wouldn't however attempt a second teep as I'm sure they'd be much more likely to try and attack my leg.

The most common type of knife attack is the prison style sewing machine where the attacker usually has their lead arm up as a fence using their forearm as a shield or to grab on to you and the knife is held in their rear hand which they make rapid jabbing motions, plunging the blade into your abdomen as fast as they can manage. That is another reason why I'd use the teep, to stop them being able to latch on to you. As soon as they grab you you are done or if you try to push them away or grab them to control them they will just fend your arms off with that lead fence and sink the knife into your belly.

 

[Flexwave2003]

My .02 cents on this subject would be to pick up the first available tool/weapon, whatever it may be. From a trash can lid, to a trash bag, anything before I decide its hand to hand combat time.

If that option is not available, I would want to keep them at distance as long as possible until there are no other choices. Trying to talk them down, anything to avoid the confrontation with the knife.

Once that fails, you're going to want to get ahold of that knife, knife hand/arm at the very first instance available. If you have no options other than fight, know you're very likely about to get fucked up. So it becomes a balance between fucked up and dead in my book, and I would recommend meaning business at that point.

Two on one, meaning get both hands on whatever arm is controlling the blade and make sure you never loose site of it from there. Some idea of wrist locks, holds, joint manipulation is a good idea. Break their shit.

If you're in that situation though, you've likely failed several key self defense tips to begin with. Putting yourself in situations where something like this is even remotely possible is ill advised from the start. If this kind of thing seems to be a reality to you, I recommend moving to a new neighborhood. Getting new friends, hobbies, interest etc. which do not involve the possibility of getting killed.

If you simply can not get out of these type of environments, its a good idea to train to defend yourself and likely acquire the legal right and knowledge to carry defensive weapons.

Good luck

 

[Psychosis]

You get stabbed in the leg

 

[aries]

^ I'm going to give my non-training friend a marker knife and have him try and stab my leg, first time with no warning that I'm going to teep, I'll just tell him to try and stab any target he wants (most likely a real attacker will be focused on the body as a target). Then I'll see if he can do it when he knows I'm going to teep. I shall come back and report my results.