striking vs grappling

[jgonza0925]

This is not really a "which is better thread", rather a study on striking. I am curious about your opinions on one thing: why is striking so relatively ineffective against grappling? In theory, one or two strikes should be able to stop an incoming opponent and prevent him from grabbing you..since, in order for a grappler to accomplish that, he needs to put himself in a vulnerable position for a few seconds, yet it rarely seems to work out that way in reality. Why do you think this is? General lack of accuracy? Power? Reaction time? Physics? I am interested in your opinions. Thanks.

 

[SuperiorHands]

The theory is wrong, it's unrealistic to expect your gonna be able to drop perfectly accurate hard shots on someone every time they grab you.

Take for instance boxing, how many times do guys get hit with bombs and stay trading or clinch up? It's a lot easier to grab someone than to knock then out, especially when you factor in the fact that you don't know how fast the exact angle and other factors a shot for instance might come in from.

Any time you see a boxer or kick boxer clinch that would be an opportunity for a sweep or to drop down for various td's.

Also a lot of td attempts are faster then a few seconds, and if someone shoots extremely fast your not having a lot of time to react and fire off shots hard enough to really ward someone off. Not to mention as a striker you compromise your position in doing so instead of trying to sprawl.

Idk, there is a lot going on with that.

 

[bowlie]

There is a theory here that its becasue strikers train to defeat other strikers, not grapplers where the tactics are different.

 

[Pem123]

There is a theory here that its becasue strikers train to defeat other strikers, not grapplers where the tactics are different.

Grappler also never train to beat up a striker
But why grappler beat striker 9/10 times

 

[Passout]

Grappler also never train to beat up a striker
But why grappler beat striker 9/10 times

That's not completely true, at my BJJ school we often practice setting up TD's with the consideration of strikes. For example we practice avoiding certain strikes and shooting in and we also practice setting up TD's by using strikes.

 

[Pem123]

That's not completely true, at my BJJ school we often practice setting up TD's with the consideration of strikes. For example we practice avoiding certain strikes and shooting in and we also practice setting up TD's by using strikes.

My striking coach also teach us to small extend on how to avoid clinch and opponent moving toward us, which are big part of grappling

But still a grappler will beat all the best kickboxer in our dojo 9/10 why because ita superior art

 

[a guy]

It's simple, the level change counters every single punch but extremely well aimed uppercuts. Any kick can be caught and turned into a takedown relatively easily. And, as was mentioned above, it's much harder to knock someone out than it is for them to close distance and grab you.

That said, strikers have a long way to go in learning to beat wrestlers. This might be of interest: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/9/15/4734660/striking-against-a-grappler

 

[aus101]

Grappler also never train to beat up a striker
But why grappler beat striker 9/10 times

Grappler train to take another grappler down, the fact you can't grapple in striking sports leaves them at a huge disadvantage. Will they even have the wherewithal to sprawl?....

 

[aus101]

Naturally close combat involves grappling. It is physics, and leaves striking sports in a distinct unreality.
From ancient times soldiers would use both grappling and striking techniques in warfare (including plate armoured knights, who knew all the common throws and takedowns.)

Striking sports eliminated the grappling aspects due to their dominance. "Boxers" would be clinch fighting and wrestling all match, so such holds were banned.

 

[stinkoman]

I think there are a lot of people still drinking the gracie kool aid believing how often fights go to the ground and the ineffectiveness of striking against grappling. I've been grappling and wrestling for over 15 years and biased towards grappling and Carlson Gracie said it best “Punch a jiu-jitsu black belt in the face once and he becomes a brown belt, punch him in the face twice and he becomes a purple belt.” Seriously if you never really been hit hard it's shock of reality. Take a BJJ guy who has never been hit and has crappy take downs he will second guess his take downs. I know guys who train either mostly striking or grappling but don't know anybody is fully oblivious in this day of age of one aspect of fighting and doesn't understand a little of each.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Because wrestlers worship the devil and cheat. Because wrestlers train harder and start younger, on average. Just ask this once handsome devil who fought a wrestling coach with a little Jits exp. in his opening mma debut:

Spoiler

 

[jgonza0925]

I guess I just find most strikers ineffective even when connecting.. based on most street fights I have seen on youtube...and even early striker vs grappler NHB matches. There just seems to be a lack of accuracy and penetration in the blows themselves.. it becomes wild swinging and nothing like what is practiced at all. It's like strikers are depending on luck in order to connect well and eventually attain a knock out blow. The theory of striking is sound (pressure points, evasion, etc) so there must be a reason why in reality it doesn't work out that well , besides the fact that it is hard to hit a shooting grappler... or is there? This is what I wonder... Maybe it has to do with wrong striking training methods...or maybe it's a simple as we were designed to grapple and strike...with more emphasis on grappling... or maybe we don't really know how to strike.

 

[HIMBOB]

Because a large part of grappling is ensuring you mainatin dominant position.

Once you have dominant position you effectly stop the other person from returning to their feet, it is something a grappler practises every single roll basically.

Strikers however do not practise Take down defence anywhere near as often, its is simply not part of the game.
Its true all fights start off in their world standing but once it moves to the ground they are not drilled on how to return to their feet and facing a opponent very well drilled at keeping them down.


This is before we consider that grapplers can hard spar at near full pace literall hours a week even as just a hobbiest, strikers can not put in that many hours without suffering serious side effects.


TLDR, a large part of gGrappling is about ensuring the fight stays in your world, striking is about winning in your world (but not on keeping it there).

 

[bowlie]

Well the point of grappling it to control your opponent first, so that you can do as you wish. Thats much harder in striking.

 

[Pheraxis]

When someone throws a punch, you can evade it. However, if someone has you pinned down in mount position on the ground, it is a lot more difficult to escape if you are inexperienced. Most people can dodge a punch, but most can't effectively shift the weight of a person when their whole body is controlling your movement. Basically, a bad strike won't connect and can be dodged, however, a wrestler will still make contact (and have some degree of control) even if their technique fails.

 

[thugpoet]

Top strikers don't fight grapplers to often so of course grapplers look better.

Even the average HBO boxer makes more then enough to never worry about a double leg

Boxers dont train to stop takedowns

Grapplers take people down all the time.

If you can Get inside the random punches and or kicks its basically gg