Locked STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI v.3 (Dragonlord's Initial Review)

[PolishHeadlock]

I just hope that people who loved it and people who hated it or disliked it to abstain from calling the other side posers, fake fans, retards, etc... Not necessarily in this thread but I've seen all over social media that it is basically if you dont love it then you are a dumbass and vice versa.

It's complex as it had really high highs but quite a few lows. It's certainly not perfect but hardly anything is. The most divisive SW film ever perhaps.

I'm at a 6.5 and awaiting a second viewing for my final firm vote.

Any adult who takes Star Wars that seriously should consider pulling a Budd Dwyer imo.

 

[El Che]

Well said, chatter like that is the reason I haven't kept up with this thread yet. I don't want to be exposed to hard negativity until it all syncs in for me.

A few more dayz & a second viewing & I'll be good.

I'm happy you liked it bro. In a perfect world, everyone would be satisfied and happy with it and all the movies. I certainly dont hate or dislike it, I enjoyed it but was left wanting, like something was missing. Not the normal joy and excitement after watching an epic movie despite my desire for it.

I avoiding all spoilers and reviews except knowing that RT gave it a 93% I dont hold RT with as high esteem as many others seem too but I do respect it's place in trying to gauge the quality of a film. I've disagreed with it many times but the higher the score is genuinely the better chance the movie is good.

Maybe I had too high expectations but I was cautious with them and I usually leave feeling happy and content with my Star Wars experience except with Ep. 2, even Ep. 1 I enjoyed somewhat because Maul and Qui-Gon(Neeson really) satiated my hunger for SW. I loved RotS, so it's not that I dislike anything that's not the OT. I enjoyed TFA(despite it being an obvious clone of Ep 4) and really liked Rogue One. I liked this one but deep down in my gut I knew I was disappointed. I really really wanted to love this and have been trying to convince myself it is epic, but I just can't go that far if I'm being honest myself.

Doesn't change the fact I will still watch Ep. 9 and the next trilogy whatever it may be. I'm a mark for the SW universe lol. Hell, I've been playing a bunch of old Star Wars games the last couple of weeks in anticipation.

 

[liljoe]

Alright, so its 8:43am local time, I’m hunkered down in my seat waiting for the movie to start, eating a McDonalds breakfast burrito.

I’ve never gone to the movies alone before. I feel like a fucking loser, but thems the breaks when you’ve got a 2 year old and a 5 week old at home. Grateful my wife let me go see this while she’s home with the little Wormlings

BUSTED!!!! I'm calling the theatre to report you for illegal food smuggling! Get'em out!!!

 

[PRIDEWASBETTER]

This movie seems like it's getting the Age of Ultron treatment.

 

[Pseudo Sane]

http://comicbook.com/starwars/2017/12/15/star-wars-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score-low/

Audience scores on RT are going down. They were at 64% an hour ago with this post and just checked now and it's down to 62%. That's the third lowest of all 9 Star Wars movies third only to Ep. 1 and 2.

That is really low for a SW movie, especially with the critics slobbering all over it.

Critics are whores. Do not ever forget this.

 

[liljoe]

I was looking at some of the various scores for this movie and it seems like there is a significant disconnect between audiences and critics.

Metacritic Critic Average: 8.6/10
Rotten Tomatoes Critic Average: 8.2/10 (93%)

vs

Metacritic User Average: 5.0/10
Rotten Tomatoes User Average: 6.6/10 (56%)
Sherdog Average: 6.28/10

I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist, but when critics are giving a film 2-3pt higher scores than regular people (and the movie is a mass-audience blockbuster, not a dense or obscure drama) I start to suspect foul play.

You have to reconcile this. Also if that were true, you think Warner Bros. would get a clue and do the same.

 

[Fluffernutter]

Alright, so its 8:43am local time, I’m hunkered down in my seat waiting for the movie to start, eating a McDonalds breakfast burrito.

I’ve never gone to the movies alone before. I feel like a fucking loser, but thems the breaks when you’ve got a 2 year old and a 5 week old at home. Grateful my wife let me go see this while she’s home with the little Wormlings

Going to an early movie all by yourself is the best.

Personally, I'm a 9:35am movie guy myself.

- Coffee in one hand
- No one around to bother me.
- A screen in front of me a thousand times bigger than my TV.
- The kid's in school.

I'm in my happy place.

 

[heavyarms21]

Alright, so its 8:43am local time, I’m hunkered down in my seat waiting for the movie to start, eating a McDonalds breakfast burrito.

I’ve never gone to the movies alone before. I feel like a fucking loser, but thems the breaks when you’ve got a 2 year old and a 5 week old at home. Grateful my wife let me go see this while she’s home with the little Wormlings

My Kid Lives on the otherside of the country and I don't like taking dates to movies so I go alone all the time. I hate when people ask me questions in movies and it seems that the last few people I bring did only that.

 

[Torrid]

I voted 5 but I wish I would go back and give it a 3 or 4. Anyone that saw me 'sperg out any of the previous SW threads knows that I'm a huge fan and only wanted good things for this installment.

There was a definite lack of a cohesive vision between the two writers; I believe JJ would have done a much better job.

The humor is inappropriate at most times because it didn't work with the tone of the film, or the scene.

The most egregious flaw to me was the cruiser jumping into Snoke's capital ship doing so much damage because that's not how FTL works in Star Wars. Now, this isn't an inherent problem in a sci-fi/fantasy world, but the issue is continuity. If a single ship can jump into another doing that much damage, there would be no capital ships - literally every capital ship would just have a small star fighter Kamikaze it. The Deathstar would be idiotic because a single cruiser could jump into the center igniting the core.

The Force Awakens left a ton of loose strands that I found really enchanting. It sparked a lot of conversation between fans and really just gave the universe back a sense of wonder that it had sort of lost - the Last Jedi did nothing with those loose ends other than quash that wonder.

While I love Poe as a character, the writing is atrocious. He and Holdo have this massive conflict on board the ship resulting in mutiny, but it is literally only because they do not communicate. Having two characters on the same side, in the same proximity not communicate isn't effective drama, it's just poor writing. Once Poe found out Holdo's plan, he literally agreed with it and would have helped.

Porgs. Fuck. At least Ewoks did something in the story, Porgs and crystal foxes are just to sell plushies and fill out whatever future Disneyland BS they have in mind.

Luke. I love Mark Hamill and his enthusiasm for the universe. When he said that he completely disagreed with the direction of the character in this film during an interview, well, it is easy to see why. The Force Awakens was literally an adventure to find Luke, then they find him, and the Last Jedi is still 80% 'finding Luke' in the heroic sense of him rising to the occasion.

Why make Luke this fallen hero? He was already tested in the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. He didn't need 'to rise', he was already supposed to be a paragon.

On the good side, I still like Finn, even though the character he had to interact with the most, Rose, completely fell flat for me. Kylo was awesome - the actor and character just really grew on me. Rey is great. She has all the qualities of a young Mark Hamill - starry eyed, eager to please, but utterly defiant in the face of total evil. As a character / actress she hits the mark for me on all counts.

 

[ufcfan4]

Critics are whores. Do not ever forget this.

Well how come Warners can't get to them then? Because I keep seeing these 30-something percent critic scores for massive production cost movies. If critics are so easily bought, why are they ripping these Supes/Batman films to shreds.

I saw Justice League and while it wasn't great, it was as good as some Marvel fare that has much better critical response. Like how was Iron Man 3 so critically praised and sucked while Justice League is pretty good and savaged.

 

[90 50]

The theater was almost empty last night at the 8:00 showing we went to, thinkjng The news is out about it sucking.

This morning I still feel th same. The direction they went serv d no purpose and leaves me empty.

Sw is over for me.

Kylo is not strong enough to be the new big bad. He needed a snoke /emperor type to prop him up.

 

[Pseudo Sane]

Well how come Warners can't get to them then? Because I keep seeing these 30-something percent critic scores for massive production cost movies. If critics are so easily bought, why are they ripping these Supes/Batman films to shreds.

I saw Justice League and while it wasn't great, it was as good as some Marvel fare that has much better critical response. Like how was Iron Man 3 so critically praised and sucked while Justice League is pretty good and savaged.

I am getting capeshit burnout so I haven't watched Justice League, so I will have to give this some thought.

My first thoughts are that:

1) Disney simply has more pull than WB and pushed harder;
2) Star Wars has more institutional goodwill as a film series than the very uneven WB offerings;
3) Disney, with LJ has more cynically exploited political issues which will get critical approval without having necessarily affected the quality of the film (casting diversity, attacks on wealth as inherently evil), etc.

 

[ufcfan4]

I am getting capeshit burnout so I haven't watched Justice League, so I will have to give this some thought.

My first thoughts are that:

1) Disney simply has more pull than WB and pushed harder;
2) Star Wars has more institutional goodwill as a film series than the very uneven WB offerings;
3) Disney, with LJ has more cynically exploited political issues which will get critical approval without having necessarily affecting the quality of the film (casting diversity, attacks on wealth as inherently evil), etc.

Well reasoned and well said.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Max van sydow, at like 85, is the best actor and character on the series so far lol. They should have kept him. Looks and acts too much like a normal man I guess.

Taking the kids today; contributing to the delusion that this movie is what people wanted.

Also, at the end of TFA, Ren says "it IS you." We still need to know who he meant. If they just forgot he said that, which wouldn't surprise me, then that's not cool.

 

[Prefect]

The only 2 people in the movie who can act are Isaacs and Benicio.

No wonder Mark Hammel hasn't been in a movie since.

This isn't true. He has been in movies since. He was good in Sushi Girl. His voice work is incredible. He was the highest paid voice artist ever with him doing the joker in the Arkam video game series. He has been typecasted sone hard due to how big Star Wars became. Voice work let him do work without getting turned down for jobs due to someone not wanting this role to be pkayed by luke skywalker.

I wish someone would have run the script through mark hamill. As involved he is with Star Wars fans, he has a very good understanding of tge universe and the fans. He has only been married to the saga for 40 years and he is a nerd at heart, too.

 

[liljoe]

The theater was almost empty last night at the 8:00 showing we went to, thinkjng The news is out about it sucking.

This morning I still feel th same. The direction they went serv d no purpose and leaves me empty.

Sw is over for me.

Kylo is not strong enough to be the new big bad. He needed a snoke /emperor type to prop him up.

Uh, no. The theatre was empty because there are a lot of screenings. 2nd most watched movie in a single day. See above.

 

[Amerikuracana]

And yes, there was political tone.. Even in the two women giving "their approval" to Poe, telling each other "I like him.. Me too." We need to really, x100, stop caring who the girls in the office arbitrarily decide to like or not like, because it is always based on irrelevant immaturity.

 

[djacobox372]

I thought TLJ was horrible, but I ultimately like how they setup the franchise. Sort of like moving--the move sucks, but it's nice once the bags are unpacked. LOL

The biggest offense to me was them keeping all the characters that they built as a team in the first movie separate 99% of the time. It's fine if one character goes off on an adventure away from the others, but do they all need to?

 

[Scott Parker 27]

Speaking of hot, as I said in my review I know this is shallow but I wished Rose switched roles with her much hotter sister Paige.

Ya but Finn is a tool. A chick like this being in to him is ridiculous.

 

[liljoe]

This movie seems like it's getting the Age of Ultron treatment.

A little bit of that, toss in a dash of Iron Man 3 hate from the fanboys. Then a pinch of eyerolls from the days of the prequels. That is what this feels like.