standing submissions.

[JohnPJones]

i'm not big in jiu jitsu so not sure how much this is taught in JJJ or BJJ, or even judo, but aikido, and karate both teach standing submissions.

anyone have video of people pulling of things like standing armbars (not flying) in competitions, or even sparring.

something we learned in karate, but never something i ever tried in sparring, so just trying to figure out how feasible such techniques are.

 

[mataleaos]

Not very feasible honestly. There’s not enough control over the body. They can happen. Mostly chokes. You’ll see standing rear naked chokes, guillotines, darces, and arm triangles. There are standing wrist locks if they grab your gi. Waki gatame is a standing judo armbar but it’s super dangerous because you have to whip hard into it.

 

[judoka loca]

I had a guy try to do a standing Mir lock on me in a competition once. It didn't work. We both kind of made eye contact, chuckled, and continued the match. Then he choked me out

 

[Kforcer]

i'm not big in jiu jitsu so not sure how much this is taught in JJJ or BJJ, or even judo, but aikido, and karate both teach standing submissions.

anyone have video of people pulling of things like standing armbars (not flying) in competitions, or even sparring.

something we learned in karate, but never something i ever tried in sparring, so just trying to figure out how feasible such techniques are.

If you're interested, I'd recommend checking out Shootboxing. Standing submissions are legal, but only standing. Standing guillotines, standing arm-triangles, standing RNC's, Kimuras and straight arm-locks have all been done successfully.

 

[Whitebeltatlife]

I had a guy try to do a standing Mir lock on me in a competition once. It didn't work. We both kind of made eye contact, chuckled, and continued the match. Then he choked me out

I think Jon Jones got caught with this once and nearly tapped and his arm has never been the same since. I think it's much better from half guard though.

I've never done a standing submission before but maybe gimmicky wrist locks are the best option. There's pulling the elbow into your body if their arm is locked and then there's getting it near your armpit and spinning. Both may work but nothing high percentage.

I think you really need control to do submissions and standing is too loose/less control.

 

[Kforcer]

Of course, the spinning Kimura can be done from standing and you've seen variations of that in Shootboxing. But most of us would do a spinning Kimura or rolling Kimura from standing and take it to the ground for the finish. So it is a little different in Shootboxing.

 

[Kforcer]

If you want a highlight of standing submissions pulled off in competition, this is one of the best videos out there. Its a highlight of Shootboxing takedowns and submissions:

 

[EndlessCritic]

If you want a highlight of standing submissions pulled off in competition, this is one of the best videos out there. Its a highlight of Shootboxing takedowns and submissions:

That looks... pretty dumb. Every takedown is a head and arm throw where tori would end up out of position in an MMA fight. Submissions with boxing gloves is pretty dumb.

 

[Bluesbreaker]

That looks... pretty dumb. Every takedown is a head and arm throw where tori would end up out of position in an MMA fight. Submissions with boxing gloves is pretty dumb.

You know what I hate? How in boxing, they stand so heavy on their front leg. In Muay Thai, they'd get it kicked over and over again.

 

[Kforcer]

That looks... pretty dumb. Every takedown is a head and arm throw where tori would end up out of position in an MMA fight. Submissions with boxing gloves is pretty dumb.

Well, for one thing, it is obviously relevant to the thread since it is one of the only sports where you can only go for submissions from standing. Secondly, I think it takes a whole lot of skill and timing to pull submissions off in Shootboxing and so rather than finding it dumb, I think it is very impressive. Lastly, of course people are going to adapt their techniques based on what is going to work under the circumstances they find themselves in, not based on what would work or not work in an MMA fight.

 

[Kforcer]

You know what I hate? How in boxing, they stand so heavy on their front leg. In Muay Thai, they'd get it kicked over and over again.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Kforcer]

I've never done a standing submission before but maybe gimmicky wrist locks are the best option.

Bet you've done a guillotine standing. Probably just weren't thinking of it as a standing submission.

 

[ChickenBrother]

You know what I hate? How in boxing, they stand so heavy on their front leg. In Muay Thai, they'd get it kicked over and over again.

This is an interesting point and while its true, I think it's also true that traditional Muay Thai fighters aren't necessarily versed in defending boxing combos - because they're so used to maintaining distance with teeps and most of the thais I've seen don't have a great jab if any.

Of course the best fighter wins regardless of style, but I've always thought hybrid styles like Dutch kickboxing or Muay Thai blended with western boxing are more complete - and that's de facto what we see in MMA.

 

[jpak]

Hard to pull off. Maybe a quick wristlock could work

 

[Nnedd]

I hit a standing guillotine in a tournament once

That's the only input I have.

 

[Esile]

Guillotines and rear naked chokes from standing are very feasible, standing armlocks and shoulder locks not so much, with the exception of the Kimura as a counter to someone grabbing you from behind under your arms that has already been discussed above.

About standing armbar and shoulder locks, I think you probably have a much greater chance to pull it off in a real life situation where someone is aggressively grabbing your shirt and pushing you to intimidate you and/or keeping you at bay while they prepare to punch than in sparring and competition against a calm and rational trained opponent who know what to do.
Plus even if they escape they have to stop holding you in the process and they open up for something else.

 

[RightToBareKnuckles]

i'm not big in jiu jitsu so not sure how much this is taught in JJJ or BJJ, or even judo, but aikido, and karate both teach standing submissions.

anyone have video of people pulling of things like standing armbars (not flying) in competitions, or even sparring.

something we learned in karate, but never something i ever tried in sparring, so just trying to figure out how feasible such techniques are.

since this was finished on the ground, it doesn't totally fit what you're looking for i guess, but check it out if you've never seen this:

 

[SHAOLINMONK420]

i'm not big in jiu jitsu so not sure how much this is taught in JJJ or BJJ, or even judo, but aikido, and karate both teach standing submissions.

anyone have video of people pulling of things like standing armbars (not flying) in competitions, or even sparring.

something we learned in karate, but never something i ever tried in sparring, so just trying to figure out how feasible such techniques are.

karate sucks but jon jones beat machida by pushing his back on the cage and choking him. its difficult to get a standing guillote without using the cage.

 

[Kforcer]

As far as MMA, this is about the most infamous standing arm-lock submission, if you want to call it a submission, as it is probably more appropriately called a break:

 

[Kforcer]

with the exception of the Kimura as a counter to someone grabbing you from behind under your arms that has already been discussed above.

I wouldn't say you NEED that to do a rolling/spinning Kimura from standing. It is a great set-up, but you can definitely initiate the hold as well. Karo Parisyan is a good example of a guy who used to do that.