Should wilder be considered a p4p great

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@iwannabeadored Have you decided that your account is ready to be deleted? After all of this time. A mid-life crisis?

Surely you know what pound-for-pound means, after all of this time!

"who the better fighters are irrespective of their weight"

Do you see Wilder carrying his skillset to lower weight classes if he scaled down his height and frame?

No.

There you go.

Go and have a glass of wine or a blunt dude.
 
samuelsoncast said:
@iwannabeadored Have you decided that your account is ready to be deleted? After all of this time. A mid-life crisis?

Surely you know what pound-for-pound means, after all of this time!

"who the better fighters are irrespective of their weight"

Do you see Wilder carrying his skillset to lower weight classes if he scaled down his height and frame?

No.

There you go.

Go and have a glass of wine or a blunt dude.
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I mean maybe not great but the fact that he’s fighting guys the size he is. There are weight classes for a reason not height, that’s like saying let’s make Duran and Tommy hearns the same height and see who wins….

The gap between wilder and Parker is bigger than tank and Canelo
 
iwannabeadored said:
I mean maybe not great but the fact that he’s fighting guys the size he is. There are weight classes for a reason not height, that’s like saying let’s make Duran and Tommy hearns the same height and see who wins….

The gap between wilder and Parker is bigger than tank and Canelo
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Well, we will find out of course facing Parker. But to have Deontay pound for pound means you have to consider Fury above him and Usyk above him, in HW alone. And even Deontay's achievements are speculative. Fury was the only top boxer he fought and he didn't come out on top.

But irrespective of that...

If you scaled up at least 50 fighters from the lower weight classes to HW, then their boxing ability dwarfs Deontay's right hand of doom special weapon.

I just want you to know that I LOVE Deontay. The dude is a stud but his boxing ability is still a shit-show even after all of this time. He is just a nuclear weapon on the end of long ass arms.
 
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No, but he is one of the top HWs of the current generation. Many of the best HWs of all time could have beaten him, but that is true of everyone in today's HW scene.
 
iwannabeadored said:
I mean maybe not great but the fact that he’s fighting guys the size he is. There are weight classes for a reason not height, that’s like saying let’s make Duran and Tommy hearns the same height and see who wins….

The gap between wilder and Parker is bigger than tank and Canelo
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Who has he beat to be considered a p4p great? Parker will be his best win if he beats him on Saturday. If you swapped wilder out for usyk, your argument makes a lot more sense. A CW who has relevant wins at both weights and is considered by most ad the best Haw on the planet. At worst he’s no 2
 
No. Wilder does usually give up a lot of weight but he has a heavyweight frame. Look at his height and how broad his shoulders are. What he gives up in weight he more than makes up for in punching power.
 
Jonny Ninja said:
Who has he beat to be considered a p4p great? Parker will be his best win if he beats him on Saturday. If you swapped wilder out for usyk, your argument makes a lot more sense. A CW who has relevant wins at both weights and is considered by most ad the best Haw on the planet. At worst he’s no 2
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We don't even have to mention Usyk. Haye had a much better P4P case than Wilder. Haye fought as low as 210 lbs at heavyweight. At most he was in the 220s. Like Wilder though both could really crack.
 
iwannabeadored said:
I mean maybe not great but the fact that he’s fighting guys the size he is. There are weight classes for a reason not height, that’s like saying let’s make Duran and Tommy hearns the same height and see who wins….

The gap between wilder and Parker is bigger than tank and Canelo
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David Haye at heavyweight was giving up 40-50 lbs, too. When he beat Valuev to become WBA heavyweight champ he literally gave up 100 lbs. That must make him the GOAT. Right?
 
Jonny Ninja said:
Who has he beat to be considered a p4p great? Parker will be his best win if he beats him on Saturday. If you swapped wilder out for usyk, your argument makes a lot more sense. A CW who has relevant wins at both weights and is considered by most ad the best Haw on the planet. At worst he’s no 2
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He’s smaller than Usyk by 8 lbs
 
iwannabeadored said:
He’s smaller than Usyk by 8 lbs
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Wilder is clearly a bigger man than Usyk. Let's recall that Usyk had to bulk up just to fight at heavyweight. He was a career long cruiserweight up until a few years ago. Don't equate weight with size. Otherwise Andy Ruiz would be a monster heavyweight.
 
Kovalev's Man Bag said:
Wilder is clearly a bigger man than Usyk. Let's recall that Usyk had to bulk up just to fight at heavyweight. He was a career long cruiserweight up until a few years ago. Don't equate weight with size. Otherwise Andy Ruiz would be a monster heavyweight.
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We don’t have height classes. We don’t have frame classes. We have weight classes. Andy ruiz is a monster heavyweight.


wilder is 6-6 209-213. He’s a skinny guy. Usyk is 220 at cruiserweight he was dehydrating to get to 200. His body has not changed he just no longer needs to dehydrate
 
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