Sherdog article about Askar Mozharov record controversy

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https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/The-Bottom-Line-Blind-Eyes-187058

I thought this was a good article and didn't see discussion of it elsewhere.

I agree in many senses that it is interesting how the commentary team avoided discussion of Mozharov's record controversy. That being said, I am an avid MMA fan and have been for years, but I was only semi-aware of the controversy before the event, so I think for people who really live in the online MMA world, they may think that something is more widely discussed or more widely known than it is in reality.

But lastly I would like to agree with the point the author makes, which is that these kind of story lines are interesting to the viewer, and I think the broadcast is better when commentators bring up points like this and speak about them candidly, rather than trying to be a company man and speak in a generic way as you are expected to, avoiding contentious topics. Of course that is my personal preference, but I do agree with the author, Todd Martin, and I think this was a good article on the topic.

Anyone else got thoughts on the controversy in hindsight?
 
Thankfully it was caught on to.


Although it does make me wonder if there’s any other fighters who’ve done the same thing.


I don’t blame Sherdog or Tapology for the mix up though, these sites have literal thousands of fighters to keep up to date with and that must be an absolute nightmare.
 
Robbocop said:
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/The-Bottom-Line-Blind-Eyes-187058

I thought this was a good article and didn't see discussion of it elsewhere.

I agree in many senses that it is interesting how the commentary team avoided discussion of Mozharov's record controversy. That being said, I am an avid MMA fan and have been for years, but I was only semi-aware of the controversy before the event, so I think for people who really live in the online MMA world, they may think that something is more widely discussed or more widely known than it is in reality.

But lastly I would like to agree with the point the author makes, which is that these kind of story lines are interesting to the viewer, and I think the broadcast is better when commentators bring up points like this and speak about them candidly, rather than trying to be a company man and speak in a generic way as you are expected to, avoiding contentious topics. Of course that is my personal preference, but I do agree with the author, Todd Martin, and I think this was a good article on the topic.

Anyone else got thoughts on the controversy in hindsight?
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It's a great article in my opinion and he makes great points. Unfortunately, this is the nature of sports in this country. When you are dealing with corporations and T.V. networks, they tell you what you can and cannot say. They hire people who will toe the company line. MMA is actually more open than the other sports thanks to Dana. Where I think the author misses the mark is him not talking about how all media and all the major sports work this way. We live in a country where speech is controlled and news is 'managed'. At least we learned about Mozharov's feelings about the war in Ukraine, right?
 
I agree with that article, we don't need a sanitised version of a real sport between often quite abstract characters.

Refusing to acknowledge stuff like this just lessens the sport.

We know that not every fighter is a squeaky clean angelic character, and we don't care.

The UFC refusing to acknowledge that Askharov falsified his record robs casual fans of a talking point and a way of remembering that dude.

The sport needs heels, and not just the doofy Sonnen/Covington kinds - but REAL heels to root against.
 
The Sherdog team sure made it known during the PBP of the event. I didn't see it live so couldn't tell about how the commentary team reacted.
But, they should talk about it. And to be fair, even if they had to admit that they got fooled, it's also a story about how hard it is to keep hold of this and what an awesome jobs "their guys" do in finding out the real info and dealing with shady characters.
 
I saw a big discussion about it on here before his fight took place.

The UFC should cut him, he lost his UFC debut decisively and tried lying about his record beforehand. Someone like that is a very bad image for this sport.
 
I wanna add that at the end of the day, after all these years, I still go back to sherdog to see what a fighters record is. Then tapology, I guess followed by UFC official stats. War sherdog.com
 
markantony20 said:
Thankfully it was caught on to.


Although it does make me wonder if there’s any other fighters who’ve done the same thing.


I don’t blame Sherdog or Tapology for the mix up though, these sites have literal thousands of fighters to keep up to date with and that must be an absolute nightmare.
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There is for sure some holes in databases. For example, forgot his name but cousin of Damir Ismagulov at least fought in amateur mma and even had video on social media (if I am not wrong video was from Russian TV about some regional Russian mma tournament where he took part and won something); manager of Petr Yan Sayat Abdrakhmanov said in interview that he fought in amateurs and he doesn't have fights on Sherdog or Tapology; Russian kickboxer Vlad Tuinov mentioned that he fought (if I am not wrong as a teen) in amateur mma fights; I've seen in English Wikipedia on page of one Chinese kickboxer info that he fought and lost in mma while no info about event or him and his opponent on sherdog and Tapology.
Also I've seen some of Russian fighters mentioning that some of their fights are missing, amateur fights counted as pro, non-mma fights count as mma, added fights from fighters with same name/surname.

For example, there is separate pages on Fight Finder for Joe Nazokatov and Yusuf Nazokatov while I am pretty sure there is interview in English from years ago where Yusuf says that Joe is his nickname/pseudonym.
 
Why would the UFC bring this fighter's record manipulation to light if the UFC itself has been guilty before for inflating records and fighter heights?

In fact they are the authority in spin doctoring lol
 
I would agree its a great look into some of the Tom Foolery these fighters get into

wonder which host will have balls enough to ask him during an interview



and also

TS profile page checks out

mod burner account confirmed
 
Askarov might be the smartest con artist in UFC history to completely finesse the UFC like that, on the other hand it's a massive clusterfuck embarassment
 
His shenanigans to lie about his record are the only reason I know this dude exists.

Lame for the UFC to intentionally hide the most interesting thing to talk about regarding this guy.

And thesy easily could have dumped all the blame on him or his team that lied and made it into something intriguing.

"Hey this dude lied his way in and now he is locked in the cage with a real UFC fighter. I wonder if he is going to get his ass kicked all around the octagon or his plan will payoff?"
 
Honestly, for all the shit he gets, I bet Rogan wouldn't give a fuck and would have said something had he been there
 
Feniamin said:
There is for sure some holes in databases. For example, forgot his name but cousin of Damir Ismagulov at least fought in amateur mma and even had video on social media (if I am not wrong video was from Russian TV about some regional Russian mma tournament where he took part and won something); manager of Petr Yan Sayat Abdrakhmanov said in interview that he fought in amateurs and he doesn't have fights on Sherdog or Tapology; Russian kickboxer Vlad Tuinov mentioned that he fought (if I am not wrong as a teen) in amateur mma fights; I've seen in English Wikipedia on page of one Chinese kickboxer info that he fought and lost in mma while no info about event or him and his opponent on sherdog and Tapology.
Also I've seen some of Russian fighters mentioning that some of their fights are missing, amateur fights counted as pro, non-mma fights count as mma, added fights from fighters with same name/surname.

For example, there is separate pages on Fight Finder for Joe Nazokatov and Yusuf Nazokatov while I am pretty sure there is interview in English from years ago where Yusuf says that Joe is his nickname/pseudonym.
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Cousin of Ismagulov -- Chingiz/Chingizkhan Aliev. I think that's his profile on one of Russian mma websites https://valetudo.ru/component/fightbase/fighter?id=23917 Video from his social media page

Chinese guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meng_Gaofeng Actually, he and his opponent has Tapology pages but nothing on Fight Finder.

Also I remembered this -- win in amateur mma of Gamid Khizriev https://m.vk.com/video-56994658_456247152 no profle on Sherdog and Tapology.
 
poor guy meme'd himself for all the wrong reasons.
 
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