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Scarface vs King of Newyork

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A comparison perhaps rather more similar than some recently? both gangster epics full of over the top violence with badguy protagonists almost pushing into antio heroes.

Scarface the much better known of the two I spose but I tend to preffer King of Newyork personally, maybe lacks the iconic set peices like the chainsaw and the staircase shootout but Walken does I think give a better performance, gleeful evil but with some desperation that does make the character strangely likeble, Fishburn is great as well.
 
Scarface but that's because I haven't seen King of NY
 
moreorless87 said:
Scarface the much better known of the two I spose but I tend to preffer King of Newyork personally, maybe lacks the iconic set peices like the chainsaw and the staircase shootout but Walken does I think give a better performance, gleeful evil but with some desperation that does make the character strangely likeble, Fishburn is great as well.
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I'd say Scarface had great performances from Pacino and Loggia and certainly good and memorable ones from Yulin, Bauer, Abraham, Pfeiffer, Shenar, etc.

King of NY had some fun stuff though. I think Harold Perrineau was just breakdancing the entire time during a shootout and "where da chicken at" is one of the all time great lines before shooting someone in a movie.
 
BisexualMMA said:
I'd say Scarface had great performances from Pacino and Loggia and certainly good and memorable ones from Yulin, Bauer, Abraham, Pfeiffer, Shenar, etc.

King of NY had some fun stuff though. I think Harold Perrineau was just breakdancing the entire time during a shootout and "where da chicken at" is one of the all time great lines before shooting someone in a movie.
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Loggia is very good I'd agree and Al is certainly memorable but again I do find it a bit too on the cartoonish side sometimes, both films are quite over the top I spose but Walken does I think provide a bit more of a mix.

Again Scarface definitely has it in terms of set peices although style wise I actually think Blow Out and Body Double either side of it are more interesting, the latter I think one of Hollywoods best "director uses sucess to make something mad" moments. King isnt quite as memorable but is very well shot indeed, does feel quite rare as sone of the few big gangster films with that kind of turn of the 90' style to it as well.
 
moreorless87 said:
Loggia is very good I'd agree and Al is certainly memorable but again I do find it a bit too on the cartoonish side sometimes, both films are quite over the top I spose but Walken does I think provide a bit more of a mix.
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Did Al do anything as cartoony as Walken's dance when he meets up with the boys?
 
BisexualMMA said:
Did Al do anything as cartoony as Walken's dance when he meets up with the boys?
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Again not really the lack of cartoonishness is a positive but Pacino did always come off as a bit one note to me, Walken I think manages to bring the fun over the top moments but also gives the character a bit more serious gravitas at other points.

Maybe part of it is the lenght, Scarface having an epic gangster lenght when I think its style is more suited for something sub 2 hours.
 
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BisexualMMA said:
I'd say Scarface had great performances from Pacino and Loggia and certainly good and memorable ones from Yulin, Bauer, Abraham, Pfeiffer, Shenar, etc.

King of NY had some fun stuff though. I think Harold Perrineau was just breakdancing the entire time during a shootout and "where da chicken at" is one of the all time great lines before shooting someone in a movie.
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Don't forget about the scene where King Tito opens up the briefcase full of tampons. Lawrence Fishburne was great as Jimmy Jump.
 
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moreorless87 said:
Loggia is very good I'd agree and Al is certainly memorable but again I do find it a bit too on the cartoonish side sometimes, both films are quite over the top I spose but Walken does I think provide a bit more of a mix.

Again Scarface definitely has it in terms of set peices although style wise I actually think Blow Out and Body Double either side of it are more interesting, the latter I think one of Hollywoods best "director uses sucess to make something mad" moments. King isnt quite as memorable but is very well shot indeed, does feel quite rare as sone of the few big gangster films with that kind of turn of the 90' style to it as well.
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So many great lines and violence!
Fuck the set pieces....talk about the scenes!






^ I can't even say these are the 3 best scenes in the movie.

I have not seen KONY since it came out on VHS.


PS I am a huge fan of Body Double. Love that the movie turns into a frankie goes to hollywood video for a few minutes. But also, what was real? Meaning like at the end he was in that movie vampire thing but he was fired and replaced before...like maybe all that happened in the movie was in his head while having claustrophobia in the coffin....or not really. There is so much good in BD but so much bad.

Also I think Body Double is about DePalma's breakup with Nancy Allen...not literally but kind of going through those feelings in a completely different story.
 
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King of NY is a better gangster film but Scarface blows it out of the water on aesthetics. It's a pretty special movie on that front
 
KoNY as it didn't feel like it was somehow a parody of itself.
 
Rocco Siffredi said:
PS I am a huge fan of Body Double. Love that the movie turns into a frankie goes to hollywood video for a few minutes. But also, what was real? Meaning like at the end he was in that movie vampire thing but he was fired and replaced before...like maybe all that happened in the movie was in his head while having claustrophobia in the coffin....or not really. There is so much good in BD but so much bad.

Also I think Body Double is about DePalma's breakup with Nancy Allen...not literally but kind of going through those feelings in a completely different story.
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Partly I think its a chance to make a Hitchcock film, the plot is basically Rear Window mixed with Vertigo and again also I really go crazy style wise. Some surprising lengths gone to in it like the roof of the covered mall being draped in silk to even the lighting or the end on the aqueduct actually being shot mostly in a studio recreation of the hillside as shooting in real night would have been too dark.

Yeah as the film progresses it does make reality a bit more questionable with things like the Frankie video and the flashback to the opening. Along those lines as well am I the only one who thinks there might have been some influence on Mullholland Drive? those stories do cover some pretty similar ground, struggling actors, luxury houses in the hollywood hills, crashes on a ground near them, even a grotesque character. The end result is arguebly quite different but I wouldnt be surprised if it were mined for ideas a bit.
 
KONY. I've watched it more than once because it's such a good movie.

Scarface I watched one time and laughed the whole time because it's so bad. No idea what Pacino was thinking when he signed on for that deal.
 
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