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Ryan Hall 50/50 DVD review: FINALLY!!!

Drew Foster

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Okay here it is. Part 2 of the Ryan Hall sets review. Let's dig in:

I should preface this by saying that this DVD set is the first of its kind. In many ways, this DVD must automatically get a 5/5 just because there is no other material on the 50/50 position, either as a BJJ set, or as a submission grappling set. This DVD is obviously a submission grappling set, as the main attack from the 50/50 is the reverse/inside heelhook, which is illegal in a gi.

I talked quite a while with a competitive purple belt friend about this set. I'm gonna start with the bad. I do not believe that this material is meant for, or should be practiced by anyone that does not have 3-5 years of experience. Ryan definately mentions that the reverse heelhook is dangerous, but I have a feeling many novice and begginer no-gi grapplers are gonna grab this set, go to their local NAGA, and I can hear the screams of people losing their AClLs and meniscuses already. NOTHING on this DVD is to be played with!!!!!!!!! All the techniques can result in a hospital visit for you and/or your opponent. If you are a bagginer, and want to watch the DVD for entertainment value, or to educate yourself on how to maybe escape the position, or to see what may lie ahead for you, then go for it!

The first DVD set is just like the Triangle set. Hall takes to approach of guiding us through the 50/50 as a guard, and an attacking position. The most important thing he says to understand about the 50/50 is that it is somewhat of a "misnomer". It is a physically mirrored position. Both fighters have equal position and options for attack/defense IN THEORY. It is actually a skill based position, where one player must fight a pitched battle to the player that is more skilled at the position. In that way, it is good for someone to use it on a better fighter that may not know much about the position. This is me speaking when I say this: DO NOT neglect your basic JJ skills in order to "master" the 50/50 or any other unique position like the DLR, X-Guard, RubberGuard, etc. Ryan covers hand fighting, protecting your legs, several grips on how to finish with the reverse heelhook. Attention is placed on forcing a bend in the leg, and controlling their knee the entire time. The foot must rotate while the hip and knee are completely immobilized. Also on the first DVD are some alternate fiishes like the Darce choke, the Texas Cloverleaf (awesome), the off-leg (regular) heelhook, and the off-leg toehold. The off-leg heelhook often results in going back to the 50/50 heelhook anyways. You'll see, it's hard to explain. You'll also see how to blow out their knee without using any hands or even upper body motion if they pressure into you. There's a similar canopener defense, and a couple drills to close the DVD.

The 2nd DVD is all about entries. I should add a very important detail about Ryan's philosophy on entering the 50/50: Never contort your body to fit the needs of the position. Use solid body mechanics to move your opponent into a configuration where you can attain the position without having to be Mr. Flexible in order to get to the 50/50.

Ryan shows how to enter to 50/50 off the basic leglocks: the footlock, reverse heelhook, kneebar, and calf-slicer. The skill/flow drills are shown next. The next entries were my favorite. Ryan shows 3 entries from the deep half guard, and two entries off the x-guard. The first two deep half entries are sweet, simple, and very smooth. So is the third, but it was my least favorite of the 3. The two x-guard entries are so simple you'll smack yourself in the face. The next 5 entries show how to granby into the 50/50 from different positions, as well as how to get to the 50/50 from the knee-cut across pass, by going into a kneebar and reverse heelhook first. A leg drag entry is showed, which was really neat. Ryan shows two standing entries. The first is the Imanari rolling attack into the 50/50, and the Toquinho standing back control (around the wait grip) drop into the 50/50. Shogun attacked Chuck with this in their last fight. The last two 50/50 entries are done when your opponent tries the bullfighter pass and the knee-cut across pass. Turning the knee-cut pass into the 50/50 can put you in the hospital if you do it wrong and they sprawl, so BE CAREFUL! There's a whopping 23 techniques on this disc!

The third DVD is the best for all experience levels IMHO. Out of the first 6 techniques, the first 4 involve passing the 50/50 to either side control mount, back, or simply disenganging. The next 2 focus on untangling their legs, and getting back to a position to pass the guard. Technique 7 is a DLR guard entry into the 50/50 that is very practical. Techniques 8-11 are all advanced entries into the 50/50, and are all from Ryan's commonly used upside down, or inverted guard. Many of the techniques are incredibly complicated. At least I thought so. The next is going from back control into the 50/50. Again, Ryan points out that the Rearn Naked Choke is the smartest option, and to only attempt this if there's 20 seconds left and you are behind on points. Then you can try this and see if you can get a quick heelhook tap. The following x-guard entry when you're trapped inside the x-guard is very simple, and one of my favorite entries on the entire set. The Omoplata to 50/50 is silly, and Ryan even admits as much, saying he can only occasionally get it to work in class. It's a filler technique, but worth practicing for coordination and body control purposes. I doubt it would work for most people besides Ryan in a tournament though. Ryan shows two advanced open guard entries and then finishes the DVD with advanced reverse heelhook finishes, which can be viewed on youtube.

This set is not as conceptual as the Triangle set. Ryan only really spends the first DVD exploring the 50/50 in depth. But boy does he go in depth on the first DVD. it's called, "50/50 illuminated", and it really is illuminated. The first DVD really needs to be absorbed before moving to all the entries. Most of the 2nd and third DVDs are devoted to entering into the position. I did not know there was SO MUCH to the position. All the entries in the world won't save you, if you don't know how to defend yourself while attacking at the same time. That makes this position very advanced as opposed to the triangle. Ina triangle, once you get your perpendicular angle, you're money. Maybe, maybe, you can get stacked, but you can't be submitted. In the 50/50, you're constantly in danger of being subbed, even though if you understand the nuances, you can pretty much guarantee your safety, unless they've seen the DVD too. hand and feet fighting are shown. RNC and Kimura grips on the heel are shown. Ryan also points out that if they do get a hold on your outside leg that's over top of your leg triangle, they will lose the legloc race. The reverse heelhook is the granddaddy leglock. It trumps all others.

I feel like I'm gonna wait a while before really trying a lot of this. Sure, I may do some on some lower level students, but I don't wanna be the guy in class that can leglock brown belts, but can't pass and sweep purples.

It's hard for me to review this. A part of me thinks people with 1 or 2 years have no business practicing this stuff. I wouldn't want them doing any of this stuff on me. At the same time, I have to review the DVD on its content alone. And for that, it must get a 4/5, due to lack of bonus features. As far as content though, it's a 5/5.

Yes, a 5/5. I enjoyed the Triangle DVD more, but it got a 4. Why is that? Well, the reason is that this is the only material available on the subject, combined with Ryan's teaching. Everything that made the Triangle set perfect is on here too. This DVD is flashier and fancier. Once again, the book is closed on the 50/50 unless someone does a gi 50/50 DVD. Ryan has said and shown all there is to say and show for the 50/50 as a heelhook and sweeping position. Lower levels can use the passes and disentaglement stuff. It just has to get a 5/5. Nothing isn't covered. On the triangle set, nothing isn't covered. It's a perfect DVD too, but I watched it first, and the lack of bonus features made me give it a 4. The triangle content is a 5/5 as well.

Once again, it's missing bonus features, which really sucks! But there's too much here to complain. My one comlaint is that I wish Ryan really emphasized the danger of the position a little more. There are a couple techniques where he says, "This can't really be drilled. So use with caution." How is that possible? The reality is that this DVD is meant for high level competitors. If begginers pick this up hoping to tap purples and browns, they're making a HUGE mistake. This should be for seasoned grapplers, unless you want to watch for entertainment purposes only.

With that said, educate yourself. Buy both DVD sets. They're probably the 2 most information-packed DVDs I've ever seen. Yes, I just said that.

Like I said about the Triangle set: any questions, fire away! I realize I was very general about the technique descriptions. I don't want to write out the DVD. I wanted to review my feelings about it.

Both DVDs are flawless unless you want extra goodies on the DVD. Buy the Triangle one first. If you're a more advanced no-gi player buy the 50/50 set. If you are a newbie and want to just WATCH the 50/50 set for entertainment, buy it. But the Triangle set for the 2 year or less student is more bang for the buck!
 
Let's get this party started! BTW, I changed my Triangle review to a 5/5 as far as content goes. The lack of bonuses still gives to overall product a 4/5. Especially considering the price. I gave the 50/50 a 5/5 too for content, and 4/5 overall.
 
i can tell you right now when i trained with ryan he used the thread the needle deep half gaurd entry a lot - do the passes and unetanglement to disengaging seem like they could transfter *TO gi or do the sleeve girps mess things up
 
i can tell you right now when i trained with ryan he used the thread the needle deep half gaurd entry a lot - do the passes and unetanglement to disengaging seem like they could transfter *TO gi or do the sleeve girps mess things up

Yeah the thread the needle from deep half was my favorite entry out of all I think.

I dunno if it transfers to gi or not. He doesn't mention much about the gi during the 50/50 set because the goal is to heelhook everytime, which is illegal in a gi. So the topic of a gi doesn't come up much. He does mention some gi stuff in the Triangle set.

Here's the thread the needle setup in action:

YouTube - ryan hall vs. some dude at adcc west coast trials

^ it's set up to start at the exact time.
 
scott sonnon had a set called "the saddle" years ago and that was basically the 50/50.
 
Yeah the thread the needle from deep half was my favorite entry out of all I think.

I dunno if it transfers to gi or not. He doesn't mention much about the gi during the 50/50 set because the goal is to heelhook everytime, which is illegal in a gi. So the topic of a gi doesn't come up much. He does mention some gi stuff in the Triangle set.

Here's the thread the needle setup in action:

YouTube - ryan hall vs. some dude at adcc west coast trials

^ it's set up to start at the exact time.


that is going to be my bread and butter entry by next week!

brilliant.

What the f*** was i thinking when I ordered this set via UPS Ground????
 
scott sonnon had a set called "the saddle" years ago and that was basically the 50/50.

Yeah, this position is definitely side-saddle in the Sonnon lexicon. Although I think Hall's taking the R&D for this one position further, Sonnon's work is probably a good compliment to the material, as it covers even more leg entanglement -> leg control -> leg lock options/flows/decision trees.

I have mixed feelings about this being released. On the one hand, it's valuable to high level guys who want to add it in, on the other, the probability of noobies walking in with the inverted heelhook in their mind as a great tool to "tap teh blooz" will probably go up, and that bothers me a bit.

I almost feel like I'll have to get it just to learn the defenses/escapes/offensive mechanisms (to thwart attacks) so I can keep my knees intact. Oh well.
 
^ That was me and DarceBrabo's feeling on new guys.

And yes, Sonnon's material is great.

I am well aware of the full and side saddles NEFTI, but I just wanted to review this DVD for its own sake. Although Sonnon's material is in depth, Ryan's DVD is still the FIRST AND ONLY DVD on the 50/50 guard as it pertains to Submission Grappling with more of a BJJ philosophy and ruleset.
 
definitely worth the money then eh? i just have the hardest time committing to dvd sets.
 
that is going to be my bread and butter entry by next week!

brilliant.

What the f*** was i thinking when I ordered this set via UPS Ground????

The oppostie of the needle thread, the backdoor spin is really cool too. I guess it all depends which foot is underneath the deep half guard.

My biggest pronlem with the deep half is just getting there in the first place.
 
The oppostie of the needle thread, the backdoor spin is really cool too. I guess it all depends which foot is underneath the deep half guard.

My biggest pronlem with the deep half is just getting there in the first place.

that used to be a problem for me when I was missing key details that I corrected via glover's set. even injured the past couple weeks I've had no problem getting to deep half-guard at will even against superior grapplers.
 
Hey man thanks! My instructor is really good with leg locks, and me being short-legged means my ass needs to train escapes, especially from this position. Thankfully Fabio Gurgel is there to save us all.
 
definitely worth the money then eh? i just have the hardest time committing to dvd sets.

Me too...because although there is good material...I basically only watch it at home...and at home..I rarely have anyone to practice it with :icon_sad:
 
Id like to see him beat one of the Mendes brothers before he starts yapping about the 50/50. They created it, they rule with it and at this moment nobody has even found a way to beat it, much less do a DVD on it

As we speak there's a bunch of gyms, Alliance, Gracie Barra, publishing their answers to the 50/50 as Rafael Mendes conter argues. And this nobody comes out with a DVD?
 
Id like to see him beat one of the Mendes brothers before he starts yapping about the 50/50. They created it, they rule with it and at this moment nobody has even found a way to beat it, much less do a DVD on it

As we speak there's a bunch of gyms, Alliance, Gracie Barra, publishing their answers to the 50/50 as Rafael Mendes conter argues. And this nobody comes out with a DVD?

Just to save us all a bit of time....are you trolling or...
 
Im not trolling. It just pisses me off. Ryan is what, a brown belt? Did he get the black? Cause he sure didn't win the mundials.

Right now, at this very moment, there is a huge debate about the 50/50 going on, with counters and counters to counters being put out there by the Mendes brothers, and the guys under Fabio Gurgel at Alliance, and other gyms.

It's not even over yet, it's an open debate, on this month's TATAME Fabio Gurgel said " there's no solution yet to this guard but we can't ban it, we have to evolve past it. It's great that it came because everyone is now focused on evolving past it, more than we have focused together towards anything in recent BJJ history"

and Ryan Hall, brown? Maybe new black, puts out a DVD?

No thanks. Keep it. Or beat a Mendes.
 
Id like to see him beat one of the Mendes brothers before he starts yapping about the 50/50. They created it, they rule with it and at this moment nobody has even found a way to beat it, much less do a DVD on it

As we speak there's a bunch of gyms, Alliance, Gracie Barra, publishing their answers to the 50/50 as Rafael Mendes conter argues. And this nobody comes out with a DVD?

There's no way they created it ... that position has been done in sambo for eons. I have an Imanari DVD from years ago where he is working through it. By no means is it a BJJ invention.

As far as I know, Ryan Hall didn't learn it from the Mendes brothers either. He learned it from Lloyd Irvin, who learned it from his sambo training. And Hall has had great success with it in nogi competition, including submitting black belts. If he can tap Gordinho with it, that's good enough for me to accept him as knowing what he's talking about.

The only aspect the Mendes brothers have really publicized is using it to stall to victory in gi BJJ, where the reverse heelhook isn't legal, making it much more of a stalling position. The Mendes bros are amazing, but they don't own the position by any means.
 

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