Russians robbing Zuluzinho

Trabaho said:
Dishonorable and pathetic. I have never seen such blatant coruption.

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He agreed to fight for money. Maybe the man should lose some weight - a double chin doesn't mean a granite chin.
 
Foreign fighters should think things through before ever agreeing to fight over there. Or, if they're that hard up for money, just accept that they'll probably take the L
 
I can actually speak to this, as I have firsthand knowledge of the situation.

AMC Fight Nights implemented a time limit for grappling at their 111 event in May 2022. At the end of the time limit, no matter the position, fighters were automatically stood up.

We took issue with that, because when you take and start limiting grappling, you're moving outside of MMA into something more MMA-adjacent. Consistent with SD Fight Finder policy, we listed those matches as exhibitions, because they are not following the Unified Rules or the international standards of MMA. They changed tune very quickly, as 114 was the last event they used that grappling limit.

This the same org that ran back a fight minutes later because the organizer did not like the result of the original fight, and if memory serves, didn't the organizer step in and issue a double DQ because some other fight was boring?
 
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JayPettryMMA said:
I can actually speak to this, as I have firsthand knowledge of the situation.

AMC Fight Nights implemented a time limit for grappling at their 111 event in May 2022. At the end of the time limit, no matter the position, fighters were automatically stood up.

We took issue with that, because when you take and start limiting grappling, you're moving outside of MMA into something more MMA-adjacent. Consistent with SD Fight Finder policy, we listed those matches as exhibitions, because they are not following the Unified Rules or the international standards of MMA. They changed tune very quickly, as 114 was the last event they used that grappling limit.

This the same org that ran back a fight minutes later because the organizer did not like the result of the original fight, and if memory serves, didn't the organizer step in and issue a double DQ because some other fight was boring?
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To the bolded if I recall, the fighter that protested went on to get beaten even more decisively afterwords. Don't even remember the name of the fighters but it was in some compilation video. As for the italicized, you are thinking of ACA in that case; the fight was Ali Bagov vs Rashid Magomedov.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/n...storms-cage-disqualifies-fighters-boring.html

Russian MMA orgs don't give a fuck man. Multiple posters on here have labeled these orgs "the playthings of oligarchs and warlords", and they are correct. Not like I give a fuck though they are still high level mma promotions particularly ACA.

But why does Sherdog only list matches as official fights if they follow the "Unified Rules" of MMA? It doesn't make sense because various organizations over the years have had different rules. For example: Pride had different rules than most modern promotions; would you suggest that Pride matches shouldn't count towards official records? Of course not. Or the early days of UFC. For that matter an organization like King Of The Streets should have its matches officially counted towards fighters' records. Those are official fights with referees and medical staff on hand. Of course they should be officially counted towards fighters' records.
 
colorles said:
To the bolded if I recall, the fighter that protested went on to get beaten even more decisively afterwords. Don't even remember the name of the fighters but it was in some compilation video. As for the italicized, you are thinking of ACA in that case; the fight was Ali Bagov vs Rashid Magomedov.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/n...storms-cage-disqualifies-fighters-boring.html
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You're right, it was ACA. Good memory.

colorles said:
Russian MMA orgs don't give a fuck man. Multiple posters on here have labeled these orgs "the playthings of oligarchs and warlords", and they are correct. Not like I give a fuck though they are still high level mma promotions particularly ACA.
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Makes it tough for everyone, including the fighters.

colorles said:
But why does Sherdog only list matches as official fights if they follow the "Unified Rules" of MMA? It doesn't make sense because various organizations over the years have had different rules. For example: Pride had different rules than most modern promotions; would you suggest that Pride matches shouldn't count towards official records? Of course not. Or the early days of UFC. For that matter an organization like King Of The Streets should have its matches officially counted towards fighters' records. Those are official fights with referees and medical staff on hand. Of course they should be officially counted towards fighters' records.
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Like I said, the Unified Rules or the international standards of MMA. We don't pull threads at history, there is a significant difference between previous eras of MMA and the modern era we are in now.

When we do have to weigh in, it is all about whether the rule changes are taking away from MMA. Remove the gloves, that's just fine (we have BK MMA events entered as recent as this year, I believe). Allow headbutts, or let the fighters wear a gi? No problem. It's when they take away weapons or change the nature of combat by disallowing things (like grappling, not counting referee standups for inactivity), that's where we have a problem.

Don't make me laugh with that King of the Streets junk. Strelka, KOTS and all of those other wacky fight leagues aren't anywhere close to MMA. You can't fight on sand and think it's an MMA fight.
 
JayPettryMMA said:
Also @colorles check out this piece for more insight on our processes: https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/The-FFFiles-From-Russia-with-Love-189298
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Read the article. Yeah there is plenty of wacky shit going on in Russia. The success of slap fighting on the internet around 2020 has alot to do with all of the wacky "fights" and wacky promotions. That and the fact that there is no lack of poor men in Russia willing to fight for peanuts (or drugs I should say). It's sad, really, but all attention whoring in an era where attention means money.

As for AMC and promoters doing instant rematches and rules on the fly well, yeah that is a slippery slope. With that said: King Of The Streets is actually pretty legit and there is nothing about it that "takes away from MMA". They are consistent with their rules (they have none - so they definitely aren't taking anything away or disallowing anything); the stoppages are reasonable considering what it is; and there is medical staff on hand. It should not be lumped in with those wacky orgs. In fact, the only thing they have done that would go against anything you have posted, is that they have allowed an instant rematch on at least one occasion I can think of at their Matador event. The guy got knocked out pretty bad because of it. But otherwise their rule set is pretty clear cut and honest with what they are.
 
colorles said:
With that said: King Of The Streets is actually pretty legit and there is nothing about it that "takes away from MMA". They are consistent with their rules (they have none - so they definitely aren't taking anything away or disallowing anything); the stoppages are reasonable considering what it is; and there is medical staff on hand.
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Right on their website, in the Fight Application section, they write the following:
Fights with no rules and no rounds.
Only the winner will get the prize money.

Those two lines alone are disqualifying. There must be rules, there must be rounds, and both fighters must be paid.
 
JayPettryMMA said:
I can actually speak to this, as I have firsthand knowledge of the situation.

AMC Fight Nights implemented a time limit for grappling at their 111 event in May 2022. At the end of the time limit, no matter the position, fighters were automatically stood up.

We took issue with that, because when you take and start limiting grappling, you're moving outside of MMA into something more MMA-adjacent. Consistent with SD Fight Finder policy, we listed those matches as exhibitions, because they are not following the Unified Rules or the international standards of MMA. They changed tune very quickly, as 114 was the last event they used that grappling limit.

This the same org that ran back a fight minutes later because the organizer did not like the result of the original fight, and if memory serves, didn't the organizer step in and issue a double DQ because some other fight was boring?
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that would be ok if this stand up is within the time limit. How many seconds is the time limit ? If they followed agreed rules it´s fine. Remember CroCop Wand 1 being a auto draw if it goes to a decision cause of Mirkos limited grappling experience.

I wanna count the seconds if they respected the agreed time limit. He got stood up right as he locked the key lock in.
 
colorles said:
He agreed to fight for money. Maybe the man should lose some weight - a double chin doesn't mean a granite chin.
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Are you intentionally stupid, or did you not watch the video?

**EDIT** I'll edit myself as I can see a discussion beyond your first reply and maybe I don't know what's going on and I'm the idiot.
 
JayPettryMMA said:
Right on their website, in the Fight Application section, they write the following:
Fights with no rules and no rounds.
Only the winner will get the prize money.

Those two lines alone are disqualifying. There must be rules, there must be rounds, and both fighters must be paid.
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So they are basically.... the Kumite?

lol
 
Ask any foreigner which fought in Russia about their opinion on decisions/refs. Or even better go for example check Jiri's fight vs Mokhatkin in Moscow which was decided as majority draw - Jiri was 1000% winner but since his opponent was Russian prospect it ended up as Draw...

Glad that Oktagon (czech) have open scoring and teams/fighters can see scorecards after every round - no much room for bs like this...
 
Reminds me of when Fedor got a standup when Ricardo Arona was mounting and armbaring him.

Ill give this org the benefit of the doubt that they have some aggressive rule about automatic standups.
 
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