Russian Tie Takedowns & Setups (2-on-1)

[Neuro]

Hey all,

I was wondering if anyone has any setups or takedowns they love to hit off the Russian tie. I use it a lot for a snap/pulldown, but don't do much else with it, and wanted to find out some further options.

I hit a lot of doubles and singles off arm-drags or shucks/throw-bys, and the only move I have off a Russian is to hit that double when they predictably counter by posting their other arm on your shoulder.

Anyone got any tips? Basic or advanced, youtube vids or instructionals welcome, all help appreciated.

Cheers.

 

[kjg1672]

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f12/ultimate-russian-arm-tie-2-1-thread-2187081/

 

[Kirra]

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f12/ultimate-russian-arm-tie-2-1-thread-2187081/

^^^That, and this:

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[Steve08]

You can get a near side high crotch or single leg by forcing his arm into his groin area from the Russian. This will leave the side closest to you completely exposed and ripe for the takedown.

I've also experimented with physically dragging people to the ground with it, but I don't think that's going to work on anyone who actually knows what they're doing lol.

 

[jack36767]

You can get a near side high crotch or single leg by forcing his arm into his groin area from the Russian. This will leave the side closest to you completely exposed and ripe for the takedown.

I've also experimented with physically dragging people to the ground with it, but I don't think that's going to work on anyone who actually knows what they're doing lol.

Instead of "dragging" them down, think of it more as snapdown. push into them with the russian. Even pinning there hand to their chest. When they push back into you, literally pretend you are shoveling dirt with a shovel only taking their arm straight down rather than the angle you would use shoveling dirt. It's a highly effective takedown. It takes a practice to get the feel/timing down though

This and drags from the russian are 89-90% of my scores from their

 

[kjg1672]

Instead of "dragging" them down, think of it more as snapdown. push into them with the russian. Even pinning there hand to their chest. When they push back into you, literally pretend you are shoveling dirt with a shovel only taking their arm straight down rather than the angle you would use shoveling dirt. It's a highly effective takedown. It takes a practice to get the feel/timing down though

This and drags from the russian are 89-90% of my scores from their

Nice bit of advice of here. A kid here in NJ named Brandon Cray used this as one of his signature moves.Helped get him a state championship.

 

[Steve08]

Instead of "dragging" them down, think of it more as snapdown. push into them with the russian. Even pinning there hand to their chest. When they push back into you, literally pretend you are shoveling dirt with a shovel only taking their arm straight down rather than the angle you would use shoveling dirt. It's a highly effective takedown. It takes a practice to get the feel/timing down though

This and drags from the russian are 89-90% of my scores from their

wow, cool idea man. Front headlock snapdowns work pretty consistently for me but I never thought of doing them from the Russian. Thanks!

 

[youngsteinel]

Biggest thing with the 2 on 1 tie is shoulder on shoulder. That is the biggest mistake that I see people make. Their shoulder is near the elbow joint, with close to no control of the arm. Shoulder to shoulder.

I like the climb behind. It's a go behind basically. Watch Jason Layton's YouTube video, it's a low risk move, seems pretty straight forward when you watch him do it. Here's the video:

 

[Shemhazai]

Sergei Beloglazov knows what's up:

Biggest thing with the 2 on 1 tie is shoulder on shoulder. That is the biggest mistake that I see people make. Their shoulder is near the elbow joint, with close to no control of the arm. Shoulder to shoulder.

Yeah, you want to dominate that shoulder of his with yours behind it. What a lot of guys also neglect in trying to achieve this, is pulling the wrist across the chest to put tension on the arm. (I prefer a no thumb underhand grip for the best pressure.) This turns the whole arm into a lever to the shoulder, and lets you break the posture and climb up the arm more easily. I like to think that I'm trying to 'row' the guy's arm into my chest for an Americana type pressure.

Also, a less known way of using the 2 on 1 that works very well (that I learned from a Greco wizard back in the day): If the guy bring his hip in and postures up to prevent you from putting pressure on the back of his arm/shoulder, bring your shoulder IN FRONT of his shoulder/biceps to apply pressure backwards and down. (Again pulling the arm taut across your chest.) From here you can block his knee with yours and use the back of your head under his chin/ear on the far shoulder to wrench him backwards and sideways to his back, circling back and dragging him down if necessary.

The same pressure can also be used with the yoko otoshi/hurdler stretch, for what the Russians call the 'bychok' (little bull).

 

[Grappler111]

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[deadlizard]

What's wrong with consolidating all these knowledge on the other thread instead?

Is there a need for another thread??

 

[crash90]

Stephen Koepfer's Russian 2 on 1 instructional over at digitsu is pretty amazing. 4 high percentage throws that lead to subs.

http://www.digitsu.com/grip-to-sub-russian-tie-on-demand-p-13.html

Here is my favorite throw from the Russian 2 on 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc9MmKSu25w

Not the best instructional but I have yet to find a good one on Youtube for it. I learned this from my first BJJ coach who also a youth wrestling coach. He loved the russian 2 on 1 and I took a love of this. He called it a russian cement mixer.

 

[Neuro]

Some great tips in here-- much appreciated, all.

 

[Shemhazai]

Stephen Koepfer's Russian 2 on 1 instructional over at digitsu is pretty amazing. 4 high percentage throws that lead to subs.

http://www.digitsu.com/grip-to-sub-russian-tie-on-demand-p-13.html

Here is my favorite throw from the Russian 2 on 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc9MmKSu25w

Not the best instructional but I have yet to find a good one on Youtube for it. I learned this from my first BJJ coach who also a youth wrestling coach. He loved the russian 2 on 1 and I took a love of this. He called it a russian cement mixer.

Vadim Kolganov's instructional isn't too bad either. A bit 'bare bones' in terms of detail, but shows a nice colllection of moves.