Relson Gracie's Split with Kendall

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With the number of threads going on about BJJ politics in the past week or so, I thought this would be a good time to start this thread. I've always wondered exactly what's going on in Hawaii with Relson's association. All I've ever read about it are threads like this:

http://www.nhbgear.com/forum/index.php/topic,41229.0.html


I've never heard anything from Relson's side. Any of Relson's students know anything about this?
 
JJmuaythaiguy is from Relson's on this forum and he always says nice things about him.
 
With the number of threads going on about BJJ politics in the past week or so, I thought this would be a good time to start this thread. I've always wondered exactly what's going on in Hawaii with Relson's association. All I've ever read about it are threads like this:

http://www.nhbgear.com/forum/index.php/topic,41229.0.html


I've never heard anything from Relson's side. Any of Relson's students know anything about this?

I'm not speaking for Relson in any way and just want to say this upfront.

I read that whole thread but it is confusing as hell. I know that the thread went to hell but this is from what I know as a Relson student.

I started at the Relson Main Academy around May 2004, entered NAGA and won my white belt division September 18, 2004. I say this because Kendall was in the Superfight of that NAGA and loss a very close match but was probably exhausted because he had to lose some weight for the match and was running the track outside Farrington High School gym where the event was held to make the weight. Whatever that was.

If anyone has the Grappling Magazine, for that event I think December 2004, we are all one big happy family and I believe that Kendal's brother (who is writing in nhb forum) was in the magazine too. Also there is TUF guy Anthony Torres who was with Grappling Unlimited at the time, now he has his own school.

But anyway, we had great times, a big afterparty, Ze out of Renzo's school was a ref, who entered the NAGA, won and stayed with Relson. Everything was fine and I asked Relson about Kendal and I could see that Relson was very proud of Kendall. Kendall Goo was a football player out of the university of Hawaii and actually was drafted or selected? in the NFL draft but got hurt? Something like that but anyway, after his football career was over he went to train with Relson and won World Championships when he was with Relson and was on his way to his black belt but Royce Gracie needed help training for the "fight" with Akebono and Kendall was training with Royce.

http://www.onzuka.com/news_2004Dec2.html

Look under this heading:
(Official K-1 PREMIUM 2004 Dynamite fight card K-1 PREMIUM 2004 Dynamite!! Friday, Decenber 31, 2004 Osaka Dome, Japan Hawaii's own 2 time BJJ Champ, Kendall Goo is reportedly flying to Japan to help Royce prepare for his fight against Akebono.)

The next thing anyone knows, someone sees Kendall with a black belt.

http://www.roycegracie.com/frames/news/rgjjn-miami.htm

***(About the fourth paragraph second sentence:) (The day ended on a high note as Royce Gracie promoted 3 of his students to the ranks of Black Belt in Jiu-Jitsu. John Crouch, Kendall Goo and Mark Bermister.)

Hawaii is a small place so people thought that Relson promoted Kendall but Relson says, "no, it was not me." so finally it is found out that Royce awarded Kendall the black belt. Relson calls Royce up and asks why he promoted Kendal, Royce says he is ready in his eyes. Relson says something to the effect of "Royce, you are my brother and I love you but you are wrong to promote Kendal without asking me." Royce says something to the effect of "If you don't think he is ready, you take it (the black belt) off of him." Relson says, "No, you promoted him already, you do it or don't but you are wrong." Royce doesn't take away the black belt and from that day to this Kendal represents Royce Gracie Jiu Jitsu and is a main instructor at the Lab.

http://zubrycki.com/gracie.html

Thats all I know. I'm sure there's more but that is all I know.

In the thread, its kind of confusing but if its the same Pono, Pono runs KIT Kauai Institute T??? I don't know what the T stands for but Pono is still under Relson and won at the Gracie Proving Grounds http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=19800

I respect Kendall, I respect Relson. I know sometimes there are threads about training with other schools and other instructors and getting promoted by other instructors and and I always say ask your instructor based on my experience with the Kendall situation. I think this is a perfect example with why things can go wrong.

Also if you see Joe Hursts posts about training with Gracie Barra in Brazil you will see why I always get permission to train at other schools and I get it in writing. There was another thread posted about the split between Joe and Relson. If I remember correctly Joe Hurst promotes the highly successful Bud Cup. The thread was posted in nhb too but I don't belong there and don't know how to find and post things from there. But anyway, he has experience too with being promoted by someone other than Relson and there is controversy in that with a whole another set of issues.

Relson and Rickson for that matter are old school. If you train anyplace else without asking their permission and they find out its going to be troubling. I think there was a thread that linked another old nhb thread with someone called oldtimer training with Rickson and one of the Machados without Rickson's knowledge, but Rickson found out and that person was writing that it was just like a part out of the Godfather movie where he gets whacked. I think even Fabio Santos, who trained with Rolls, Rickson and Relson was getting hassles over the Dean Lister promotion thing. Its just with these oldtime jj instructors loyalty is everything. I find no fault in that.

I say that loyalty is everything but I have also seen with my own eyes, students who leave Hawaii ask Relson permission to train with BJ Penn (Nova Uniao), Jean Jacque Machado (GB?), or other places and not only does he say yes, but gives them a hug and a open invitation to return to train with us. I saw this twice with my own eyes and its very touching especially the guy who went to train with BJ Penn who was a classmate of mine from the beginning.

I feel that Relson has always treated me like family more than a teacher, so I speak from that perspective. I live on Oahu and have no dreams of leaving Relson or Hawaii, so I'm all good. Peace out.
 
I never ever read tabloids but for some reason BJJ Politics is so darn exciting. I wish someone would create a dvd about BJJ BEEFS like the rappers.
 
I never ever read tabloids but for some reason BJJ Politics is so darn exciting. I wish someone would create a dvd about BJJ BEEFS like the rappers.

Its interesting because you know everyone of them can fight but for some reason they don't settle problems by fighting.
 
Wowo cool thread no idea who Relson even is. How old is he and any more personal info about him
 
jjmuaythaiguy: Thanks for the reply. Interesting read.

You are welcome. That thread looks really old 2005? and after rereading it again it appears that the thread starter is slamming Pono and not Relson but uses the break between the two to explain some dissatisfaction with Relson not promoting Kendal to black for the reason why Royce promoted Kendal. Pono is a solid guy and got to train with him at the Relson Gracie Main when he was training for the GPG. In fact I entered Kendall's Kauai GP (Grappler's Paradise) and took my white belt division and the open plus entering the blue belt division and losing to one of Kendall's blues at the time in November 2004. I even got pics with me, Kendall and the announcer Wild Bill at the podium when I got my medals. Team Kamole (Kauai grappling school) was there and took pics with me and put me on their website. Bruno Ewald is a Royler Gracie Black Belt and close friends with Relson. I guess when Relson went to Kauai to visit his daughter and teach at Kendall's school, now Pono's school he also used to do seminars but I don't know if that was for people outside of the Relson Gracie Association of the regular membership, that thread is all over the place so its probably saying he spent more time doing seminars than teaching while he was there but I really don't know.
 
Beef: The BJJ edition "I got something between my legs"
 
Who is Kendall is it Kendall Groove? Article did not say
 
Another thing the article mentions the Onzuka brothers not getting their black belts but on April 4, 2007, Mike Onzuka got his black belt. Its a little slow for the first two minutes but listen to speech about being approached by "others" who would give him a black belt if he left Relson and "others" who say he should leave Relson to get a black belt and what his reply was:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSreBSI2nQI

In this video are 3 out of 5 Hawaii based black belts, Ron Shiraki, Kofi Debrah,and then Mike Onzuka, along with his three stripe brown brother Chris, three stripe brown Ren, World Champion Daniel Morias(?) and his brother Diego.
 
Relson and Rickson for that matter are old school. If you train anyplace else without asking their permission and they find out its going to be troubling. I think there was a thread that linked another old nhb thread with someone called oldtimer training with Rickson and one of the Machados without Rickson's knowledge, but Rickson found out and that person was writing that it was just like a part out of the Godfather movie where he gets whacked.

I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Oldtimer is actually Roy Harris.
 
Someone please explain to me what and who Kendall Goo is?
 
I'm not speaking for Relson in any way and just want to say this upfront.

I read that whole thread but it is confusing as hell. I know that the thread went to hell but this is from what I know as a Relson student.

I started at the Relson Main Academy around May 2004, entered NAGA and won my white belt division September 18, 2004. I say this because Kendall was in the Superfight of that NAGA and loss a very close match but was probably exhausted because he had to lose some weight for the match and was running the track outside Farrington High School gym where the event was held to make the weight. Whatever that was.

If anyone has the Grappling Magazine, for that event I think December 2004, we are all one big happy family and I believe that Kendal's brother (who is writing in nhb forum) was in the magazine too. Also there is TUF guy Anthony Torres who was with Grappling Unlimited at the time, now he has his own school.

But anyway, we had great times, a big afterparty, Ze out of Renzo's school was a ref, who entered the NAGA, won and stayed with Relson. Everything was fine and I asked Relson about Kendal and I could see that Relson was very proud of Kendall. Kendall Goo was a football player out of the university of Hawaii and actually was drafted or selected? in the NFL draft but got hurt? Something like that but anyway, after his football career was over he went to train with Relson and won World Championships in every belt from blue to brown and was on his way to his black belt but Royce Gracie needed help training for the "fight" with Akebono and Kendall was training with Royce. The next thing anyone knows, someone sees Kendall with a black belt and Hawaii is a small place so word is Relson promoted Kendall but Relson says, "no, it was not me." so finally it is found out that Royce awarded Kendall the black belt.

Relson calls Royce up and asks why he promoted Kendal, Royce says he is ready in his eyes. Relson says something to the effect of "Royce, you are my brother and I love you but you are wrong to promote Kendal without asking me." Royce says something to the effect of "If you don't think he is ready, you take it (the black belt) off of him." Relson says, "No, you promoted him already, you do it or don't but you are wrong." Royce doesn't take away the black belt and from that day to this Kendal represents Royce Gracie Jiu Jitsu and is a main instructor at the Lab. Thats all I know. I'm sure there's more but that is all I know.

In the thread, its kind of confusing but if its the same Pono, Pono runs KIT Kauai Institute T??? I don't know what the T stands for but Pono is still under Relson and won at the Gracie Proving Grounds http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=19800

I respect Kendall, I respect Relson. I know sometimes there are threads about training with other schools and other instructors and getting promoted by other instructors and and I always say ask your instructor based on my experience with the Kendall situation. I think this is a perfect example with why things can go wrong.

Also if you see Joe Hursts posts about training with Gracie Barra in Brazil you will see why I always get permission to train at other schools and I get it in writing. There was another thread posted about the split between Joe and Relson. If I remember correctly Joe Hurst promotes the highly successful Bud Cup. The thread was posted in nhb too but I don't belong there and don't know how to find and post things from there. But anyway, he has experience too with being promoted by someone other than Relson and there is controversy in that with a whole another set of issues.

Relson and Rickson for that matter are old school. If you train anyplace else without asking their permission and they find out its going to be troubling. I think there was a thread that linked another old nhb thread with someone called oldtimer training with Rickson and one of the Machados without Rickson's knowledge, but Rickson found out and that person was writing that it was just like a part out of the Godfather movie where he gets whacked. I think even Fabio Santos, who trained with Rolls, Rickson and Relson was getting hassles over the Dean Lister promotion thing. Its just with these oldtime jj instructors loyalty is everything. I find no fault in that.

I say that loyalty is everything but I have also seen with my own eyes, students who leave Hawaii ask Relson permission to train with BJ Penn (Nova Uniao), Jean Jacque Machado (GB?), or other places and not only does he say yes, but gives them a hug and a open invitation to return to train with us. I saw this twice with my own eyes and its very touching especially the guy who went to train with BJ Penn who was a classmate of mine from the beginning.

I feel that Relson has always treated me like family more than a teacher, so I speak from that perspective. I live on Oahu and have no dreams of leaving Relson or Hawaii, so I'm all good. Peace out.

i could only find his name on ibjjf's site as winning the worlds at purple, a great accomplishment in itself but i didn't see his name anywhere else as winning at any other belt level.
 
if you accept a belt from someone else other than your coach you know what you are doing and you know you are basically leaving your old team.
 
i could only find his name on ibjjf's site as winning the worlds at purple, a great accomplishment in itself but i didn't see his name anywhere else as winning at any other belt level.

I may be misinformed so I apologize in advance but this is what I have been able to pull up so far: http://www.onzuka.com/news_2001July3.html

Kendall Goo in AdvertiserToday, news of Kendall's World Title has been posted in the Honolulu Advertiser on page C-3 (Isle File) of the sports section. Honolulu AdvertiserIsle FileJuly 29, 2001Former University of Hawai'i football player Kendall Goo of Kaua'i, won the purple belt super heavyweight Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Championships in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil yesterdayGoo, a Relson Gracie Jiu-Jitsu team member, won four matches in order to claim his second world title. In 1997, Kendall won the blue belt world championship.In addition to winning the purple belt world championship yesterday, Relson Gracie awarded Kendall his brown belt immediately following the competition. The belts in Brazilian or Gracie Jiu-Jitsu is white, blue, purple, brown, and black. International competition starts at the blue belt level.

I got to check for the brown belt titles. Maybe another event other than Worlds. Sorry for the mistake.
 
heres my stance on the whole thing. first off, jjmuaythaiguy and myself have been good friends/training partners for a good three years or so now. that being said, everything hes said in this thread, i entirely agree with. not because were friends, but because weve both been very active at relsons main academy for years now. bob being slightly older than i, tends to hang out with relson more than i do, and therefore has seen relson as 'the real person' and not 'the son of helio.' im trying to say, he truly knows the man. ive been at his house a few times, and hes always had tons of aloha for me and other students. did i mention he can party? (haha thats another thread).

anyway both bob and i share very similar view points on relson and the way he runs his academy. to sum his overall being in a few words, would be to say he is 'old school gracie,' simple as that. he believes entirely in loyalty, especially to ones teachers. im aware that he tells his brothers whats on his mind, but always respects everything about his father, 100%. almost in a rather confucius way (father to son, teacher to student).

yes, he promotes very very slowly and at times it can be frustrating. however, whenever a student from brazil or the mainland visits the academy, our team can stand up to the best of them, belt for belt. im sure kendall became very frustrated waiting for his black belt, however the way i see it is; why would you be a loyal student from white-brown only to take a black belt from another instructor?

events like these have happened several times over relsons prosperous career in hawaii with such big names as enson/egan inoue, barret yoshida, kendall goo, and a few others. however, those who have stayed loyal with relson to black belt wouldnt have had it any other way. relson has always treated me like a part of the family, and i am still honored to have been asked to teach at the main academy.

i was also an asian philosophy major in college, and maybe i believe a lot in loyalty to ones teacher, but both bob and i are loyal to relson, as well as many many other students here in hawaii (not to mention brazil and his mainland academies).

the politics of bjj, especially the gracies are both very complicated, and mysterious (in the sense that not many people know). for example, why was relson left out of 'the gracie way.' either way, relson is a classic old school gracie jiu jitsu practitioner/professor. he will catch anyone in a collar choke, and he hardly needs an open guard since you cant break/escape his closed guard. you wont see him busting out gogo's or anacondas because his armbars, triangles, and collar chokes are perfected in every sense of the word. hes a great guy, and his jiu jitsu is amazing, to say the least.

well theres my 2 cents. hope it helped?
 
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