News Ray Fisher Shares Details on JL, Whedon and WB (Gal Gadot's Career Threatened by Whedon) Post #226

What's your take on Ray Fisher's allegations?


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Then you can probably see why he would want to stick with his profession: lots of money for little work; and you probably know that what works for you doesn't necessarily mean everyone else must do the same. We're not talking about being too strict, either -- he's alleging misconduct. I don't want to reduce your story, but we're not talking apples to apples.

He doesn't seem to want to stick to his profession since he's trashing the people who got him in the door, which makes others not want to work with him. Smile, shut up, and move on to the next project. If actual grievances happened then file a lawsuit. What he's doing right now, going on rants over Twitter, isn't helping.
 
Smile, shut up, and move on to the next project.

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I just hope this doesnt effect the Synder Cut. I want to see that movie dammit.
 
He doesn't seem to want to stick to his profession since he's trashing the people who got him in the door, which makes others not want to work with him. Smile, shut up, and move on to the next project. If actual grievances happened then file a lawsuit. What he's doing right now, going on rants over Twitter, isn't helping.
An interesting take is that Fisher is deluded into thinking what he is doing is working due to the encouragement of his loyal followers on Twitter and Instagram. He has insulated himself into thinking that he's doing a great job with his crusade, burning all his bridges and tanking his career.
 
An interesting take is that Fisher is deluded into thinking what he is doing is working due to the encouragement of his loyal followers on Twitter and Instagram. He has insulated himself into thinking that he's doing a great job with his crusade, burning all his bridges and tanking his career.

He should have consulted with his co-workers, not people on Twitter. They are probably all wondering what on Earth he's doing.
 
So, when does the multiverse kick in and Doom Patrol Cyborg makes it into the Snyder verse?
I was never into the Cyborg version from the Doom Patrol show. His costume looks so janky and the actor lacked the physical presence for the role. As much as I find him annoying, Ray Fisher looked fantastic as Crybor... Cyborg.
 
A film pundit on YouTube thinks it’s a hoax or whatnot by WB to somehow get more fans to spend money. Thinks something about Jason Momoa responding 11 weeks later to a remark about an animated Frosty the Snowman production that he voices has something also to do with it.

This whole Fisher saga
 
A film pundit on YouTube thinks it’s a hoax or whatnot by WB to somehow get more fans to spend money. Thinks something about Jason Momoa responding 11 weeks later to a remark about an animated Frosty the Snowman production that he voices has something also to do with it.

This whole Fisher saga
That hoax theory by that Youtuber is so absurd. WB allowing Fisher to badmouth them every week and all the negative press against the studio is just too idiotic to think this is WB's master plan.

From my perspective, the reason why Momoa didn't immediately speak out against the Frosty announcement was because he's a bit of a hypocrite and was looking out for his career. The Frosty news was on July 1, which was the same day as Ray Fisher dropping his accusations against Whdeon and company. Momoa didn't say anything for the next month and a half. Fisher kept on the pressure for weeks. Now that Fisher has gained a lot of attention and followers, Momoa finally feels safe enough to publicly side with Fisher. Momoa could have debunked the Frosty news and supported Fisher on the first week of July but he waited till September to do so.
 
Update: September 23, 2020

Warner Bros. Allegedly Turned Down Ray Fisher's Demand for More Money for THE FLASH Movie

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In October, director Zack Snyder will roll cameras for his extended cut of Justice League, working for WarnerMedia’s HBO Max division on restoring his version of the maligned 2017 movie that he exited because of a family tragedy. The shoot, which will turn the “Snyder Cut” into a four-episode limited series, is expected to bring back Ben Affleck as Batman, Henry Cavill as Superman and Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman for new scenes. Also set to appear on the call sheet for what is expected to be a week- or so- long shoot is Ray Fisher as Cyborg.

The latter is noteworthy because Fisher is in a public dispute with sister WarnerMedia division Warner Bros., which he accuses of permitting Joss Whedon, the director who took over from Snyder, to engage in misconduct and abuse while reshooting Justice League. Fisher also claimed that executives Jon Berg and Geoff Johns, who both have since left the studio, enabled Whedon’s behavior. (Warner Bros. declined comment. WarnerMedia remains in business with Whedon, whose new show, HBO sci-fi drama The Nevers, is back in production in London.)

Insiders recall to THR that the Justice League reshoots conducted by Whedon were a messy and hastily assembled affair. Snyder left the project in May 2017, ahead of a November release date. Whedon had to cram an extensive rewrite and reshoot and take over postproduction. One person present at the reshoots describes a set filled with tension and says the director was difficult with actors. But this person also says they did not witness physical or other abuse. Johns and Berg were under pressure, another insider notes, as they were trying to deliver a tentpole and knew their jobs were on the line. Whedon did jettison many of Fisher’s scenes, according to sources, and his directing style is described as the opposite of Snyder’s collaborative approach. It also is unclear if Fisher filed a complaint at the time.

Fisher is in talks with Warner Bros. to make a cameo in The Flash, a Justice League spinoff movie due to shoot next year. He has options negotiated for future appearances, including cameos, beyond the initial film. But in earlier drafts of the Flash script, Cyborg was a much more active player than the one in the current script. Sources say the studio exercised its option for Flash, even upping its negotiated price for what’s described as a three-scene appearance. Fisher’s side countered with a figure doubling that. Warners turned that down, and negotiations have remained stalled for weeks.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...w-justice-league-shoot-amid-ray-fisher-claims
 
I'm trying to think why would Ray Fisher go on this crusade and I think it boils down to one of 3 options:
  1. He has some type of additional info he hasn't let on. Maybe video or another eye-witness or some story/incident he hasn't told yet
  2. He has no impulse control and can't let go if anybody has wronged him
  3. He thinks he's a big star and starting the new #metoo movement about employees getting mistreated by big corporations
 
Update: September 14, 2020

Jason Momoa Reveals "Shitty Way They Were Treated" During Justice League Reshoots



I believe Jason Momoa here. He doesn’t have a track record of complaining and he’s not a complete unknown with nothing to lose either. The plot has indeed thickened.

DC-WB is also well known for the way male comic writers slept with a rotating cast of attractive interns who had no real hope of landing a job. They recently cleaned house over that stuff.
 
Update: October 29, 2020

Ray Fisher Accuses Warner Bros. Executives of Racist Conversations and Whitewashing Justice League Reshoots in New Interview

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“The erasure of people of color from the 2017 theatrical version of Justice League was neither an accident nor coincidence,” Ray Fisher calmly, but sternly stated.

Justice League star Ray Fisher has never been shy about speaking his truth. Focused and measured, Fisher spoke with Forbes about his continued dispute with Warner Bros. Fisher passionately spoke on the toxic and harmful work environment that he and the cast endured during the film’s Joss Whedon-led reshoots, after he took over from original director, Zack Snyder. Fisher went into detail on the myriad issues on set.

Fisher’s campaign started on June 29. Fisher put Hollywood on notice when he shared a clip of himself from Hall H at 2017’s San Diego Comic-Con. During the Justice League panel that year, fans were blissfully unaware of the lies the cast were forced to say, according to Fisher. “I’d like to take a moment and forcefully retract every bit of this statement,” Fisher said on Twitter.

In September, Warner Bros. issued a statement denying many of Fisher’s claims and cited his failure to cooperate with the investigation thus far. The studio, Whedon, and others mentioned did not provide a respond with request for comment.

Fisher went into detail on why he felt the need to retract the statement, citing how fabricated talking points were distributed to the cast of heaping praise on Whedon as Snyder’s replacement.

“For one thing, the cast and crew were told that Zack had handpicked Joss to finish the film for him. I didn’t find out until after the reshoots that that was a complete lie.” Fisher began. “I heard whispers and rumblings of things being off behind the scenes, but nothing concrete until much later. They had us go out to San Diego Comic-Con in 2017 and say Zack picked Joss and that Joss was a great guy. I still have the email with those talking points.”

Two days later, Fisher took to Twitter to point fingers and provide the names of the those he held responsible.

“Joss Whedon’s on-set treatment of the cast and crew of Justice League was gross, abusive, unprofessional and completely unacceptable. He was enabled, in many ways, by Geoff Johns and Jon Berg. Accountability>Entertainment,” Fisher tweeted on July 1st.

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After Zack Snyder left Justice League’s production in early 2017 following a family tragedy, Warner Bros. Pictures brought in Joss Whedon to conduct reshoots that heavily altered the original film. The cast of the film was taken aback by the things that happened in Snyder’s absence. Yet, the cast was not aware of how bad things were about to get.

“You’ve got to understand, Zack stepped away to be with his family, and we wanted to give him space to do that,” Fisher said. “He and I didn’t speak for about a year after he left.”

Fisher went on to explain how the abusive and unprofessional atmosphere was cultivated behind closed doors even before Snyder departed the project.

“Prior to Justice League’s reshoot process, blatantly racist conversations were had and entertained—on multiple occasions—by former and current top level executives at Warner Bros. Pictures,” Fisher stated. “Decision-makers that participated in those racist conversations were Geoff Johns, Jon Berg, and current Warner Bros. Pictures Group chairman Toby Emmerich.” Emmerich, Berg, and Johns did not immediately respond for comment.

“I realized that the notes I ended up getting from Johns during reshoots were just a coded version of the racist things he was saying with behind closed doors with the other execs,” Fisher alleged.

“A lot of what these guys were doing was in an effort to prevent themselves from being fired during AT&T’s merger with Time Warner,” Fisher pointed out to Forbes. “I plan getting much more specific about each of these guys after the investigation is over—this interview is just the abridged version,” Fisher further clarified.

While Fisher was already aware of the alleged whitewashing, he didn’t become aware of these racist conversations until after he started speaking out.

“These conversations were reported to me by people in the room. And I wasn’t made aware until AFTER I had already spoken out about Joss Whedon.”

“None of what I’m sharing in this interview is news to Warner Bros. HR, nor should it be news to WarnerMedia. I reported almost everything to them back in July—including Emmerich’s involvement,” Fisher said. “The fact that I’m having to advocate for myself in this way is equal parts freeing and frustrating.”

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Outside of Fisher, multiple actors of color had their roles completely removed or heavily-reduced in Justice League.

The role of Ryan Choi, played by Zheng Kai, was cut. Joe Morton, who played Cyborg’s father Silas, had his role mostly cut and reshot. While Zack Snyder included a diverse cast of characters, many of them had roles significantly altered, or disappeared from the film altogether before it arrived in theaters. Karen Bryson, who played Cyborg’s mother Ellinore, had her role cut as well. Additionally, Kiersey Clemons, who played Iris West, was removed from the film. All of them will appear in 2021’s Zack Snyder’s Justice League. According to representatives for Whedon, these decisions were made prior to his taking control of the project.

A representative for Whedon said; The individual who offered this statement acknowledged that this was just something that he had heard from someone else and accepted as truth, when in fact simple research would prove that it was false. As is standard on almost all films, there were numerous people involved with mixing the final product, including the editor, special effects person, composer, etc. with the senior colorist responsible for the final version’s tone, colors, and mood. This process was further complicated on this project by the fact that Zack shot on film, while Joss shot on digital, which required the team, led by the same senior colorist who has worked on previous films for Zack, to reconcile the two.

“I always suspected that race was a determining factor for the way that things went down, but it wasn’t until this past summer that I was able to prove it,” Fisher said of the changes to minority characters.

Fisher outlined how the abusive and unprofessional atmosphere went beyond the racial elements. He claims a toxic and manipulative atmosphere quickly engulfed the Justice League reshoots.

“Race was just one of the issues with the reshoot process. There were massive blowups, threats, coercion, taunting, unsafe work conditions, belittling, and gaslighting like you wouldn’t believe,” Fisher commented when asked for details.

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As for the role Johns had in the abusive environment on set, Fisher didn’t mince words on either Whedon or Johns.

“Geoff Johns made a veiled threat to my career during the LA reshoots of Justice League,” Fisher said. “Multiple sources have informed me, that Joss threatened the career of another person associated with the production. Toby was made aware and tried to cover for Whedon rather than deal with the abuse. That situation had to be escalated to Tsujihara to get any results.”

While some question the legitimacy of his claims, Fisher has made it very clear that they should not.

“These things affected many people across various departments. Warner Bros. Pictures has tried to make it seem as if these issues are mine and mine alone,” Fisher said. “I’ve brought them a number of witnesses that have been avoided and in some cases ghosted during the investigation process. Warner Bros. knows full well my claims are credible. They’re just scrambling.”

On September 4th, the Cyborg actor took to Twitter once again to explain how the studio had been handling his dispute thus far. The actor detailed a call between himself and Walter Hamada, president of DC Films. In it, he alleged that Hamada tried to get Fisher to relent on Johns. The tweet sparked Warner Bros. Pictures to put out their first official statement.

In the statement, a studio spokesperson said, “At no time did Mr. Hamada ever ‘throw anyone under the bus,’ as Mr. Fisher has falsely claimed, or render any judgments about the Justice League production, in which Mr. Hamada had no involvement since filming occurred before Mr. Hamada was elevated to his current position.”

The studio went on to say that “Mr. Fisher has declined to speak to the investigator” and that Fisher “failed to provide” specific and credible allegations of misconduct.

Fisher, infuriated by the statement, told Forbes that the statement was a double-edged sword that helped him as much as the studio attempted to discredit him.

“The hit piece that Warner Bros. Pictures put out on me on September 4th, was meant to isolate me, but it ended up having the opposite effect,” Fisher said. “More people ended up reaching out and offering their support.

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Fisher saw this as a clear pattern of behavior from the studio and made him even more focused on continuing to speak out.

“Warner Bros. Pictures has been receiving a lot of bad press recently for their mishandling of HR and third-party investigations—unfortunately the Justice League investigation has been no different.”

After Justice League massively underperformed at the box office, a sizable shift at Warner Bros brass followed, with Geoff Johns and Jon Berg removed from their positions and replaced by Hamada. While Hamada was not present during the production of Justice League, Fisher went into further detail about his disappointment with the DC Films president regarding the investigation process.

“Walter Hamada chose to insert himself into this situation by trying to throw Joss Whedon and Jon Berg under the bus to protect Geoff Johns,” Fisher reiterated. “He has a long-standing work relationship with Johns and an even longer one with Toby [Emmerich] from their time together at New Line.”

Fisher stressed the connection between Emmerich and Hamada, to explain how deep studio politics go to protect each other.

“Emmerich made Hamada the president of DC Films and Johns is providing content for Hamada to produce. It stands to reason that he would have a vested interest in trying to protect both of them.” Hamada did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Fisher cited the statement from Warner Bros. to make his point clearer. After his tweet about Hamada, Fisher used it as a goalpost for how things would have been if he spoke about Emmerich at the time.

“You see what Warner Bros. PR tried to do to me after I alluded to Walter Hamada? Now imagine what would’ve happened if I named the chairman of the company instead of Hamada,” Fisher said. “WB would’ve used every bit of PR power they had to try to stomp me out and protect Emmerich.”

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Fisher has not been the only cast member to make his voice heard. On September 14th, Aquaman star Jason Momoa took a strong stand of support with his fellow JL cast member. Momoa took to Instagram, slamming Warner Bros.

“THIS SHIT HAS TO STOP AND NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT @ray8fisher AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO EXPERIENCED WHAT HAPPEN UNDER THE WATCH OF @wbpictures NEEDS PROPER INVESTIGATION.” Momoa wrote in all-caps.

“I just think it’s fucked up that people released a fake Frosty announcement without my permission to try to distract from Ray Fisher speaking up about the shitty way we were treated on Justice League reshoots,” Momoa continued. “Serious stuff went down. It needs to be investigated and people need to be held accountable. #IStandWithRayFisher. aloha j”

The Frosty The Snowman remark was a direct reaction to an exclusive by Deadline where the studio announced Berg and Johns, both directly implicated by Fisher earlier in the day, was working with Momoa to create a live-action adaption of the snowman.

Fisher was grateful to Momoa, and the many caste mates that come to his side, though he wished he could have handle the situation privately, without impacting them or their careers.

“Jason really came through when he denounced that fake Frosty the Snowman news. I know that had to have shaken them up.”

Fisher continued; “a lot of folks from the cast and crew reached out to show their support, some expected and some less so. I’ve tried my best to handle things privately and to let HR process play, but the only thing that seems to move the needle has been me applying pressure publicly.”

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Fisher revealed one of the biggest challenges has been getting WarnerMedia to conduct a fair and impartial investigation, something that has taken much of Fisher’s time to achieve.

“My team and I have been informed that the third-party firm that was originally brought on to investigate Justice League has withdrawn from the case,” Fisher began.

“WarnerMedia has since informed me and my team that the old investigator purposely lied to us about the investigation. We’ve asked WarnerMedia to relay this information to the public and to retract Warner Bros.’ September 4th hit piece on me so we can clear the air and get the investigation back on track. They’ve refused to do so…so here we are…”

With the original investigator withdrawn, Fisher is optimistic that the new investigator will perform their duties impartially.

“The new investigator that WarnerMedia has brought on is the same one that did the final Kevin Tsujihara investigation before he was taken down,” Fisher explained.

Fisher went on to further clarify that he is not alone, and how the participation of old friends and newcomers came together for a single purpose, accountability.

“I’ve got a lot of witnesses that are willing to be interviewed, they’re just waiting on my go-ahead that it’s safe to do so,” Fisher said.

Outside of witnesses, Fisher has the backing of The Screen Actors Guild – American Federation of Television and Radio Artists.

“SAG-AFTRA has been a part of just about every conversation we’ve had with WarnerMedia and has been pushing to get them to do the right thing.”

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Despite the myriad challenges in his way, Fisher remains hopeful, yet cautious about his road ahead.

“In a business as notoriously litigious as Hollywood, the fact that I haven’t received so much as a cease and desist letter should tell you something,” Fisher calmly stated. “The people involved know I’m telling the truth. They’re just looking for a way to mitigate blowback for themselves.”

“WarnerMedia knows I don’t have the financial ability to stand up to them in court,” Fisher continued. “Emmerich, Whedon, and the other guys probably do. My guess is that WarnerMedia is looking for the lesser of two lawsuits.”

Fisher knew the responsibility on his shoulders was massive. Not only is his career at risk, but those who have joined his efforts and are participating in the investigation are at risk as well, Fisher claims. Fisher made it a personal mission to shield them.

“The people that have shared their stories with me have put themselves at great risk, both personally and professionally. I will protect them at any cost,” Fisher said. “Hollywood is one of the most retaliatory businesses in the world. One word of you being “difficult” or “uncooperative” could be the end of your career, especially if you’re black.”

Fisher fully realized that there are people out there that don’t believe him. Whether it’s because they’re fans of Johns and Whedon’s work, they take the studio’s word over his, or they simply don’t understand the full story. To them, Fisher had frank words.

“You really have to ask yourself, what’s more plausible—that I would purposely torpedo my career by making statements about powerful figures in Hollywood, that, if untrue, could be easily refuted. OR a handful people in positions of power said and did terrible things in order to maintain that power during a massive corporate merger.”

While Fisher was candid about his frustration with the studio, he was still clear that he’s not at war with the entire studio.

“I’m not in a fight with Warner Bros.” Fisher sighed. “I’m in a fight with a handful of people that are attempting to use Warner Bros. to cover their tracks. All the significant film and tv work I’ve done has been under the WarnerMedia banner. I love what I do and who I’ve been blessed to do it with.”

To Fisher, the most important thing is making sure accountability is carried to all parties involved, and not just the easier targets in the investigation.

“Regardless of how I feel about the folks involved, I’m not interested in people being allowed to dog-pile and scapegoat easy targets.”

As for his end goal, Fisher expressed the point of all the blood, sweat, and tears.

“My goal is to have these people not be decision makers for the content that influences our world,” Fisher began. “These guys have been in Hollywood a long time. Their problematic behavior didn’t start with the AT&T merger, but I’ll be dammed if it doesn’t end with it.”

Fisher ends most of his tweets these days with “Accountability > Entertainment,” and it’s clearly a guiding principle behind his actions, risks be damned.

“I’m not worried about the consequences. I’m well aware of what’s at stake. If people don’t want to work with me because I’m refusing to tolerate abusive behavior and the coverup culture of old Hollywood, then so be it.” Fisher said.

“If nothing else, I’m going to go out of this business the way I came in; free and of my own volition. Can you dig that?”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sheraz...tigation-and-erasing-characters-of-color/amp/

CLIFFS:

- Fisher says there were multiple blatantly racist conversations made by Geoff Johns, Jon Berg, and current WB Pictures chairman Toby Emmerich.

- Fisher realized that the notes he ended up getting from Johns during reshoots were just a coded version of the racist things he was saying with behind closed doors with the other execs.

- Fisher suspected that race was a determining factor why multiple actors of color in Justice League had their roles completely removed or heavily-reduced.

- Fisher claims during the reshoots there were massive blowups, threats, coercion, taunting, unsafe work conditions, belittling, and gaslighting.

- Fisher reveals he brought WB a number of witnesses that have been avoided and in some cases ghosted during the investigation process.

- Fisher says the hit piece that WB put out on Sept. 4 was meant to isolate me, but it ended up having the opposite effect and more people offering their support.

- Fisher deduces Emmerich made Hamada the president of DC Films and Johns is providing content for Hamada to produce and that's why Hamada wants protect both of them.

Fisher says he has a lot of witnesses that are willing to be interviewed, they’re just waiting on his go-ahead that it’s safe to do so.

Fisher clarifies that he is not in a fight with Warner Bros. but only with a handful of people that are attempting to use Warner Bros. to cover their tracks.

(This will be merged with the official thread after a while.)
 
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