punching the chest

[shs101]

What are the benefits to throwing jabs/crosses to the opponents chest area rather then stomach or head? For boxing purposes. A good example was ward vs Dawson. Ward kept landing the cross to the chest hook to the head. Anyone else have any fights like this and why?

 

[Discipulus]

Jabs to the chest really stop forward momentum. I'm sure there are other reasons for throwing them, but that's why I sometimes jab to the chest/shoulders.

Hopefully Sinister gets in here at some point, because I know he has his guys throw chest-jabs, probably for better reasons than mine.

 

[cuality]

Chest or solar plexus?





I think punching to the chest is to stop the heart.

 

[Babba]

1. if your glove makes contact with torso it means that you can hit them with other things instead of/after that jab. for example jab, around glove hook. or jab, straight. so it finds range if you have trouble hitting head or belly for whatever reason.

2. when i'm tired and someone hits me hard in the chest its a little like solar plexus, it hurts.

3. it stops movement, both because you hit them and people are used to reset. because you can stiff-arm it and -actually- stop movement. because you can jab chest-head.

4. just to get in as many punches when you are swining wildly trying to score points

( tried to think about when i did it myself )

edit: it can be psychological too if you can keep touching someone in the arms/chest/wherever. can't really remember right now, a while since i sparred

 

[SummerStriker]

I am sure I saw a ufc fight that ended by karate reverse punch to the sternum. The guy hit just sat down, coughed and gave up.

If you land it flush with a small glove it hurts really bad.

 

[Discipulus]

I am sure I saw a ufc fight that ended by karate reverse punch to the sternum. The guy hit just sat down, coughed and gave up.

If you land it flush with a small glove it hurts really bad.

Those are usually to the solar plexus, actually.

Are we talking solar plexus here, or chest? Like, just below the rib cage, or near the collar bone?

 

[SummerStriker]

Those are usually to the solar plexus, actually.

Are we talking solar plexus here, or chest? Like, just below the rib cage, or near the collar bone?

That punch was lower than I remember it.

I think that punching someone dead in their sternum is amazing. I don't have a video of it though.

 

[Discipulus]

Just a note: a surprising number of the deaths in bareknuckle boxing from the 19th century were from punches to the heart. Granted, these mostly came after insanely long fights (forty rounds and more), but there are a ton of newspaper reports that have guys dying from a hard blow right to the chest. I'll have to try to locate the source that I got that information from.

 

[SummerStriker]

Just a note: a surprising number of the deaths in bareknuckle boxing from the 19th century were from punches to the heart. Granted, these mostly came after insanely long fights (forty rounds and more), but there are a ton of newspaper reports that have guys dying from a hard blow right to the chest. I'll have to try to locate the source that I got that information from.

I don't doubt it.

In EMS, there are two kinds of blunt trauma: general and focused. If EMS arrives on the scene of a dead person who died of general blunt trauma, they don't initiate CPR (like from car accidents). If the cause of the cardiac arrest is focus trauma (the stereotype is a base ball) then you always do CPR because it is actually survivable.

Evidently people get killed by baseballs an awful lot.

If a baseball to the chest can kill someone, I think a punch can. The magic lies in the timing though. The hit has to be while the ventricles are re-polarizing after a beat, which is only a fraction of the time the heart is doing anything. People used to think it had to do with chi or pressure points or whatever, but it doesn't. And you can't tell when the heart beat happened, so killing someone with a chest blow is still just luck.

I'm not sure how hard a hit has to be to stop the heart, but it doesn't take much to restart it. A part of CPR protocol used to be something called a "precordial thump." If you SAW someone go into cardiac arrest right in front of you, you could immediately raise your elbow about six inches over their belly button and hammerfist them (without any body weight) right in their sternum, which is said to average the equivalent of a 4J shock. They took it out of most protocols because it turns out to be a better way to spend your time to just go get an AED, but the fact is that little hit used to work sometimes.

 

[PeterPain]

Like you pointed out it can break momentum.
Also, one may not effect much but many hit will disrupt breathing pattern/faster gass.

 

[cuality]

I've created a monster....


Actually the sternum is the entire breastbone. And after some reading I guess the solar plexus which is known as celiac plexus has less to do with the KO but rather a strike to that region causing the diaphragm to spasm affecting breathing; which may affect the celiac plexus(which are a network of nerves) but isn't the cause of the ko.

 

[sourdiesel209]

hmm I was told by my coach to punch the chest (or was it the neck??) when in sparring this dude that kept slipping all my jabs...

 

[Discipulus]

hmm I was told by my coach to punch the chest (or was it the neck??) when in sparring this dude that kept slipping all my jabs...

That makes sense. Kind of similar to the idea of hitting a guy's shoulder if he keeps shoulder rolling. If he's gonna move his head then you can touch whatever you can lay your hands on. As long as your hitting him, right?

 

[sourdiesel209]

That makes sense. Kind of similar to the idea of hitting a guy's shoulder if he keeps shoulder rolling. If he's gonna move his head then you can touch whatever you can lay your hands on. As long as your hitting him, right?

yeah and it serves as a way to stop his movement and followup with a right hand or something...

 

[Strykerx]

You guys are mostly right. Jabbing to the chest is like going to the body, meaning the chest is easier to hit than the head.

Let's see if I remember how to post youtube videos correctly

 

[Discipulus]

You guys are mostly right. Jabbing to the chest is like going to the body, meaning the chest is easier to hit than the head.

Let's see if I remember how to post youtube videos correctly


There ya go.

Edit: Good video. B-hop is a guy I always love to watch fight, even his somewhat dirty tactics. I consider it gamesmanship. Old school stuff.

 

[Harukaze]

When bareknuckling (like in knockdown karate), punches to the collarbone are pretty nasty for the guy on the receiving end. Same with hitting the false ribs and of course the solar plexus. This might be slightly off topic though haha.

 

[fluffball]

Killing someone by punching them in the chest is not a myth, but it is effectively one. It usually happens to kids rather than adults and the timing is a 1 in a hundred million shot during the heartbeat. It doesn't happen "all the time", but sure, you can find a newspaper clipping about it.

 

[Discipulus]

Killing someone by punching them in the chest is not a myth, but it is effectively one. It usually happens to kids rather than adults and the timing is a 1 in a hundred million shot during the heartbeat. It doesn't happen "all the time", but sure, you can find a newspaper clipping about it.

Not just a newspaper clipping. I found the page of data.

http://ejmas.com/jcs/jcsart_svinth_b_0700_archive.

Do a ctrl + F on that page for the word "heart." Tons of deaths caused by a "blow over the heart." I'm sure in the days before sanctioning and mandatory physicals it was more likely for a guy with a preexisting heart condition to step onto the scratch. But it was definitely not uncommon.

 

[SummerStriker]

Killing someone by punching them in the chest is not a myth, but it is effectively one. It usually happens to kids rather than adults and the timing is a 1 in a hundred million shot during the heartbeat. It doesn't happen "all the time", but sure, you can find a newspaper clipping about it.

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Direction of impact over the precordium (precise area, angle of impact)
Total applied energy (area of impact versus energy, i.e., the mass of the projectile multiplied by half the square of its velocity)

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