International Pope Francis has died BREAKING - New Pope Elected - American Cardinal Robert Prevost becomes Pope Leo the XIVth

Fox by the Sea said:
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I'm surprised the White House didn't throw any shade at the Pope
 
I'm quite nervous about who the new pope will be. I think the catholic church is in crisis right now and is very split similarly to how the united States is split from right to left.

There was a monastery within visiting range from my home that shut down and the remaining monks dispersed throughout the country, but some of them ended up in a nursing home in my city. So I went to visit them quite often because I knew some of them.

One of the monks was quite holy but also sheltered and not aware of the world and had not been following politics in the United States ever in his entire life.

Within only a couple of months, priests in my city had lied and poisoned his mind towards Democrats and this monk was praising Donald Trump.... Now I knew this monk very well and I knew for a fact that he would not like Donald Trump if he knew who he was. But he was extremely old and at the very end of his life and I saw no need to challenge what he had been told.

My worst fear is that this next Pope will be a fascist at heart.
 
terrapin said:
No he wasnt.

There are specific criteria you have to meet to be a heretic. I'm sure you don't know what those criteria are and will just lie about the Pope instead.
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His stance on equal homage to polytheistic deities was pretty heretical tbh
 
Rob Battisti said:
His stance on equal homage to polytheistic deities was pretty heretical tbh
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No it isn't actually. I've heard every single controversial position he's had explained in detail by Jimmy Akin and it's just flatly right-wing lies about the pope that cause people to believe things like that. They will take some thing he said or wrote off the cuff that he never meant to be an official statement of the papacy and exaggerate it and lie about it.

The pope was not a heretic and he didn't want to be a heretic and he carefully crafted his language so that they were not heretical.
 
Was quite left for a Pope, I think he was a good one overall. Apparently used to be a bouncer at a pub back in his day which is pretty funny.
 
terrapin said:
No it isn't actually. I've heard every single controversial position he's had explained in detail by Jimmy Akin and it's just flatly right-wing lies about the pope that cause people to believe things like that. They will take some thing he said or wrote off the cuff that he never meant to be an official statement of the papacy and exaggerate it and lie about it.

The pope was not a heretic and he didn't want to be a heretic and he carefully crafted his language so that they were not heretical.
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It’s not heretical for a Catholic to exclaim there there isn’t one true god?
 
Rob Battisti said:
It’s not heretical for a Catholic to exclaim there there isn’t one true god?
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What specifically are you referring to? The time he said that all religions are pathways to God? He’s never said anything about “equal homage,” has he? Or there not being one true God?
 
Rob Battisti said:
It’s not heretical for a Catholic to exclaim there there isn’t one true god?
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Sure it is but he didn't say that.


And even if he said it on accident (he didn't) or worded it wrong... for it to be a heretical statement, it has to be obstinate and you have to repeat it in an inquiry or refuse to correct a position after reprimand.


In rhe Catholic Church, a heretic is someone who, after receiving valid baptism and still claiming to be a Christian, publicly and obstinately denies or doubts a truth revealed by God that the Church considers essential. This means the denial or doubt must be morally culpable, a refusal to accept a doctrinal imperative.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Valid Baptism:
The person must have been validly baptized, although not necessarily in the Catholic Church.
Claiming to be Christian:
They must still be nominally a Christian, meaning they publicly profess the faith.
Denial or Doubt:
The person must publicly and obstinately deny or doubt a truth that the Church believes to be revealed by God through Scripture or Sacred Tradition.
Moral Culpability:
The disbelief must be morally culpable, meaning the person is refusing to accept what they know is a doctrinal truth.
 
BFoe said:
What specifically are you referring to? The time he said that all religions are pathways to God? He’s never said anything about “equal homage,” has he? Or there not being one true God?
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He's listening to right-wing propaganda even though he guarantees us he's not a right winger.
 
BFoe said:
What specifically are you referring to? The time he said that all religions are pathways to God? He’s never said anything about “equal homage,” has he? Or there not being one true God?
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The Amoris Laetitia issue alongside the “all paths lead to god” issue. The “document of human fraternity”…

All these are outside of traditional Catholicism.
 
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