Overhand right - Advice on technique

[8 Weapons]

Hey guys
I've been doing Muay Thai for a while and we've never really practiced overhand right puches.

Watching a few fights on Youtube - both boxing and kickboxing - I've seen quite a few fighters using it with great results.

I'd like to learn the proper technique of this punch. I have a basic idea of how it's done, but am yet to see a thorough instructional video of this punch, covering things like the proper range of the arm movement, the way the fist should be positioned on impact and foot work.

Do any of you have a Youtube link on how to throw this punch correctly?

Thanks in advance

 

[Baseball Choke]

learn from one of the best.

 

[3rdEye]

learn from one of the best.

um .. you should never go back with your punch as lidell is doing in here for some reason .. punch from where you are. keep your chin down below the shoulder. Transition the weight from the ball of your left foot to the ball of your right (the punch has just started) .. loop your right behind your opponents guard .. if you dont know how to position your fist .. then there's just no helping you there .. aim with your first two knuckles (obviously). Unless your quick dont open with the overhand right .. if you do it should only be to get inside a taller fighter .. opening up your opponents body and a 5, 10, 3 combo or something. other than that set the overhand up with the jab. Or just wait for openings in your opponents guard to fire off a good counter.

 

[8 Weapons]

learn from one of the best.

It's worked for Lidell, but surely this is not proper right overhand technique?

I posted this specifically in the boxing forum to hopefully get advice on correct boxing technique of this punch. Most MMA fighters I see appear to have sloppy stand-up technique (there are exceptions of course).

This seems a less wild version of Lidell's overhand:


This is a more tame version still (i.e. less swinging / haymaking), they say this is the 'russian' overhand version:


Are they both OK to use; just different?

With regard to fist positioning. Lidell tells his students to turn the fist around, so it's like a backhand almost, but with no spinning. But I've seen others (and from what I can tell this is being done in the 1st vid I posted above) where they keep the fist kind of straight, similar to the regular cross. What's better?

 

[consortium11]

learn from one of the best.

I was literally about to post this video :icon_chee

 

[3rdEye]

It's worked for Lidell, but surely this is not proper right overhand technique?

I posted this specifically in the boxing forum to hopefully get advice on correct boxing technique of this punch. Most MMA fighters I see appear to have sloppy stand-up technique (there are exceptions of course).

This seems a less wild version of Lidell's overhand:


This is a more tame version still (i.e. less swinging / haymaking), they say this is the 'russian' overhand version:


Are they both OK to use; just different?

With regard to fist positioning. Lidell tells his students to turn the fist around, so it's like a backhand almost, but with no spinning. But I've seen others (and from what I can tell this is being done in the 1st vid I posted above) where they keep the fist kind of straight, similar to the regular cross. What's better?

The second video is more on point about bringing your elbow up .. but the overhand right doesn't have to be necessarily a so far out looping punch. its called an overhand right because your going over the guard of your opponent. The angle from which you throw it will differ according to variables such as wether your setting it up with a counter .. wether your using it as a means to close the gap and come inside your opponent .. or your opponents guard .. his footwork .. head movement .. etc. the problem i see with both video's you posted is that both instructors dropped their guard while punching ... so definately do not copy exactly what they are doing .. mostly just get the basics down of the technique then tweak it to your liking but still keeping the base of what the punch is suppose to be.

here's a decent vid .. don't agree with the moving your body to the side thing as lil things like that can be timed .. unless of course you have your opponent thinking somethings coming from that left (as is what he was saying you should do).

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[fightingrabbit]

They are all pretty bad tutorials. Why they pull their arm back just doesn't make any sense.

 

[Vincent86]

This came to mind

 

[fightingrabbit]

This came to mind

Notice Fedor never c ocked his arm back in either of those punches. The punch shoots out like a normal lead right.

 

[KyleInAction]

I've always been a big fan of Mosleys overhand right. I'll find some good examples when I get home from the gym.

 

[Vincent86]

Notice Fedor never c ocked his arm back in either of those punches. The punch shoots out like a normal lead right.

I think it's the vertical angle of the arm towards the shoulder that is the main difference from a normal lead right. You swing more body in it.

Here's a beauty from Toney at the end of the clip:

And here's a looping one:

I think looping punch are really advandced though since they leave you wide open

 

[thirteen]

Notice Fedor never c ocked his arm back in either of those punches. The punch shoots out like a normal lead right.

Arlovski getting ktfo with the right was bad enough, but just imagine if Fedor's follow up left hook had caught Arlovski in mid air!

On another note my overhand right (which I need to practice more) is pretty compact.

 

[KyleInAction]

Vincent brought up Toney, and I decided he's probably a better example than Mosley. 1:16 shows Toney throwing a counter overhand right. He dips his hand down low a bit on the slip and then fires it over.

Slow-Motion at 1:30

 

[8 Weapons]

Here's a beauty from Toney at the end of the clip:

That sure is a beauty. Very nicely executed espectially with a slip.

So the main point I am wondering about now is how much to swing your fist back with this punch. I.e. with a straight cross, there's no swinging back - you throw the fist in a straight line. With the overhand - and I can see it in BOTH videos you posted above, just to a varying extent - the fist seems to first go back a little and then comes back around in a swing type of motion. This is in comparison to that "russian" overhand I posted earlier, where there is NO swinging back at all; it's just like a cross, but with a lifted elbow. Is it a case of using both of these depending on the situation, as someone posted earlier? In other words, both are correct from a technique perspective?

 

[8 Weapons]

Vincent brought up Toney, and I decided he's probably a better example than Mosley. 1:16 shows Toney throwing a counter overhand right. He dips his hand down low a bit on the slip and then fires it over.

Slow-Motion at 1:30

That's great, thanks for posting this. So it seems the idea is to drop the hand low and then kind of swing it from there. I'll try and practice it that way and see how it feels.

 

[n3xus6]

My advice is to buy a heavy bag and a double ended speedbag, if you don't already have them. Throw overhand rights at the heavy bag until your arm feels like a stick wrapped in raw hamburger meat. Remember to keep your guard up

Adjust the height of your double end speed bag so its around head height. While your arm is still sore, throw combinations at the moving bag, making sure to throw overhand rights. This is the "Rest" part of your workout.

When you right arm isn't sore anymore, Go back to your heavy bag. repeat.

As you get more comfortable with the bag, you'll start to get a better sense of how to apply dynamic power to your overhand rights, and well, all of your punches. The double speed bag helps with your aim and timing immensely, because its suck an irregular target. As you get better with both, mix your shots up as much as you can. Be patient. Feel where your feet are, feel which muscles you're using when you strike, keep your guard up, bob, weave, duck, cut, sprawl, elbow, knee...mix it up, but feel your power and adjust.

I bungeed two heavy bags together so I have about a 6.5 foot, 90 lb target, so i can practice shin, leg, body and headshots; Since its two bags, the joint flexes, absorbs energy, and you can apply a lot of power in your shots . I have two double speedbags attached to each other so I have a head target and a chest/body target (i can adjust them, the "chin" of the red bag is where a 6'4 guys chin would be). The arm that holds the speed bags is only bungeed to the frame, so it also swings when hit, making for even more irregular motion of the bags. This is my rig :

Targets, focus mitts, ect...nothing compares to the double heavy bag/double end speed bag combo. Watch some of those vids. Then apply them to the bags.

 

[Steakeater**]

Notice Fedor never c ocked his arm back in either of those punches. The punch shoots out like a normal lead right.

This. Main difference his you torquing the the shoulder over more so that it changes the angle of your punch. Your arm movement shouldbe minimial.

 

[n3xus6]

This. Main difference his you torquing the the shoulder over more so that it changes the angle of your punch. Your arm movement shouldbe minimial.

I make video of myself on my bags to watch my movement.

Do you do bag workouts?

 

[Marvin Covar]

I think that if you want to learn sound technique, you should veer away from watcvhing MMA fighters. Instead, you should be watching boxers and kickboxers.

Pertaining to your question, the overhand right is a very tricky technique to learn. It is similar to the right straight in execution but the overhand right is used more of a counter punch rather than a single shot (although it can sometimes be used as an offensive move; it really depends on the situation).

To execute one, you must be at an angle from your opponent for it to be effective. The angle makes it more difficult to telegraph and gives it more torque and power. James Toney exhibited a perfect counter overhand right (as shown in a previous post). He uses the dodge as a ****ing mechanism to fully execute the technique. The mechanics are pretty much like a right straight, except it looms over a punch (hence, overhand) to connect with your opponent.

Try this. When yourt opponent throws a right straight, weave over to the right and while you do it, throw the overhand right. Hope this helps.

 

[thirteen]

Sweet baby Jesus I'll never get tired of watching a middle weight Toney box.