Opinions on Combat Submission Wrestling

[babygetoboy]

Hey guys, I am planning on starting training in MMA. There is a school right by me that is taught by an Erik Paulson certified trainer, and combines his CSW and his STX Training, which mixes Kickboxing, Muay Thai and Savate.

Just wondering what everyone thinks of CSW and STX as a basis for MMA. The instructor is also a brown belt in bjj under de la Riva, but I plan on only taking the CSW and STX.

Does anyone have any experiences with it, and how effective it is, and if it's worth training in it.

Thanks everyone

 

[djvash]

If you have any more questions, send me an AIM. I think you still have my AIM from when we talked before, but I've been back training hard at MAU 5 days a week for the past 3 months after taking a break from going there (the school you are posting about).

djvash01 - AIM

The schedule says STX, but Muay Thai days are Muay Thai, and Savate days are Savate. So if you want to train one style over another they are sepreate classes. I'm not a fan of the Savate style, but we do more work with our hands in combo's and there are alot of footwork drills I take from Savate and apply to my Muay Thai. There are 2 NoGi CSW days, 2 BJJ with the gi days, and 1 day that is mainly NoGi sparring as far as grappling goes. Wednesday is STX Boxing night... basically boxing applied to MMA then about a good half hour of sparring rounds.

Chris' MMA, Grappling, and Striking skills are top notch. We are going hard right now on our advanced days because he's training for an MMA fight next month I believe.

There are a few guys who are just starting lately as well so you won't be jumping in with a bunch of guys who are way above your level. All the advanced guys are really friendly as well, it's a laid back gym that is good for beginners.

Right now this is our schedule:

Monday: 600-730 Muay Thai, 730-900 NoGi
Tuesday: 600-730 Savate, 730-900 BJJ
Wednesday: 600-700 Boxing, 700-800 Grappling/Rolling
Thursday: 600-730 Muay Thai, 730-900 NoGi
Saturday: 930-1100 BJJ, 1100-1200 Savate

Saturday class is in the morning. There is also a NoGi class on Tuesday and Thursday mornings that I never make because of work.

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Also, Erik Paulson will be at the Gym for a seminar on October 28-29.


-Brad

 

[sproggdawg]

CSW is in my opinion the best way to prepare for MMA. If youre looking for something that really does incorporate the best aspects of each effective style then CSW is the way to go. Ive been doing CSW for about a year now and I think its worth every penny. I was a straight BJJ guy before, but having taken CSW I understand how punching changes the game and how to deal with it accordingly. My takedowsn and striking have also improved alot. One of the best things about the class is that once a week we will train for grappling with striking. In other words half the class will put on gloves, and half will remain without. The objective for the guys with gloves is to pound the guy without, and the guy without wants to submit the guy with gloves, Then we switch switch gloves and do the same again. Every once in a while we will all put gloves on and roll. This is by far the coolest thing we do bacause you can both strike and submit. Its not uncommon to see some bloody noses in the class but thats usually as bad as it gets. As for Erik Paulson, he runs the best seminars ive ever been to. The guy is friggin hilarious, and he can tap anyone you know in under 30 seconds. I didnt mean to spaz out on this reply, but take my word for it. CSW is the best nogi training out there.

 

[Jimmy Cerra]

One of the best things about the class is that once a week we will train for grappling with striking. In other words half the class will put on gloves, and half will remain without. The objective for the guys with gloves is to pound the guy without, and the guy without wants to submit the guy with gloves, Then we switch switch gloves and do the same again. Every once in a while we will all put gloves on and roll. This is by far the coolest thing we do bacause you can both strike and submit.

Dammit I thought I invented that drill! I did CSW before I started BJJ and judo and now I do all three. I also run the grappling club at Pitt, but I am the only one there with MMA training gloves. So sometimes I would give the gloves to one guy and we practice exactly as you say. I think it is a good drill once in a while, but you can't really start standing.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

I have several of Erik's DVDs and videos. I hope to catch some seminars with him at some point in the future.

IMHO, his system is one of the best out there. I would not pass up the opportunity to train with someone certified by Erik as a coach.

 

[sproggdawg]

I have several of Erik's DVDs and videos. I hope to catch some seminars with him at some point in the future.

IMHO, his system is one of the best out there. I would not pass up the opportunity to train with someone certified by Erik as a coach.

I got really lucky wheh I chose to do CSW. My academy actually has the highest number of certified CSW instructors in the world, Including 3 associate instructors which is the highest level. Of course any school with a certified instructor is a good choice. I just like to mention it because when I initially chose the school I had no idea. I was looking mainly at BJJ and then when I sat in on a CSW class I was hooked. Do everything you can to get in on one of Eriks seminars, he will teach you more in 2 days than you could honestly remember in a year. Hes a really nice guy to. I rememebr the last seminar he did I hadnt eaten before we started training. I was hypoglycemic and started to feel sick. Erik pulled me aside, asked me what was wrong and then bought me some food and a drink. His girlfriend chilled and talked to me until I was feeling up to training some more, then I jumped back in. FRODO, I really like that dril. Its a great way to try out your sub skills in as realistic an environment as you can get without going bareknuckle in the street. Striking really does change the game.

 

[knoxpk]

Differences between no gi BJJ and CSW please?

Thanks

 

[sproggdawg]

no gi JJ is just that, Brazilian jiu Jitsu with no gi. It uses all of the basic subs fro BJJ minus those which require the gi. CSW is a compilation by former Shooto world champion Erik Paulson. It encompasses striking and clinch work(muay thai, savate,...) takedowns(wrestling, judo) and the grappling(BJJ, Judo, Sambo, Catch wrestling). Basically the ground game is a mixture of all of the major grappling arts. In my opinion you see the biggest difference when you start to learn some of the long submission chains. Youll notice certain moves have a little something added in, and there are alot of sambo leg lock setups as well as more air chokes than in traditional nogi BJJ. The biggest difference is that CSW is a fighting system, not a grappling art. Make sense?

 

[knoxpk]

yep. Sounds great , takedown traing and sub training from all positions. Cant go wrong there, wish there were more schools like that.

 

[PhxJudoJujitsu]

Sounds pretty cool

 

[colinm]

sooooooo, basically CSW is MMA?

 

[sproggdawg]

basically, with slightly more emphasis on the ground game.

 

[Soid]

soooo, basically "nogi BJJ" is submission fighting?

 

[Soid]

basically, with slightly more emphasis on the ground game.

If one of the fighters stands up to not interact with the guy on the ground what will happen to him? Will he lose points or some shit?

 

[sproggdawg]

No, there arent any points or anything. Its not like pankration or anything where there are CSW competitions. If your opponent stands up then it would be in your best interest to do the same. Its just that your goal in many situations in CSW is to go to the ground and dominate your opponent.

 

[krellik]

sooooooo, basically CSW is MMA?

Agressive and submission focused subwrestling with a mma mindset is propably a better description... ....But yeah pretty much mma...

 

[sproggdawg]

Couldnt have put it better myself.

 

[T K O]

Ive trained with Erik several times. CSW is the best grappling art, since it encompasses ALL grappling arts. From BJJ to Sambo to Greco to Freestyle to Judo to Catch. EVERYTHING. The most effective grappling training in the world IMO. You also learn how to ground and pound and strike from a clinch really well.

 

[fez.uk]

Sorry to drag up a old thread but ive been doing Thai for about a year know at a good camp near me, he takes no shit and its 100% in every lesson know i wanted to move on to do some sort of mma so i could combine my thai with takedowns and wrestling so i was looking around and found a place that does CSW i haven