On the stoppage on Holloway Oliveira

[hswrestler]

Looks like the actual medical reason is still a mystery. Nevertheless, its good they are finally running it back. Who do we have winning (outside of the fans).

 

[Neck&Neck]

 

[FlyingDeathKick]

That was their first fight, Holloway vs Oliveira 2 still hasn't happened yet

 

[VinceArch]

The fight was proof for me that you never know if Oliveira will win.

 

[Thesnake101]

That was their first fight, Holloway vs Oliveira 2 still hasn't happened yet

Must be why they included this part.

 

[Yabadabaev]

his face looks like he is stoned

 

[sonhow]

Max would have beat the absolute shit out of him anyways.

Now its more intriquing. Max punch resilience aint what it used to be after Ilya fight and Oli is better now. But I still got Max I think.

 

[Koya]

At the time they said it was an oesophagus injury

 

[Prince Nephilim]

Charles was known quitter in his early days. He's the Terminator now tho

 

[Pequeño Corey]

At the time they said it was an oesophagus injury

Yea I thought it was common knowledge that it was an esophageal tear.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Max would have beat the absolute shit out of him anyways.

Now its more intriquing. Max punch resilience aint what it used to be after Ilya fight and Oli is better now. But I still got Max I think.

I think max will still beat the shit out of him

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

At the time they said it was an oesophagus injury

What's weird is that was the official story, but the recent story completely changed:

UFC Sakatoon Injury Update: Charles Oliveira Suffered a Tear in His Esophagus

In a Monday morning update, however, UFC officials revealed that Oliveira suffered a micro-tear in his esophagus.

A decade later, Charles Oliveira’s injury suffered against Max Holloway remains a mystery: ‘Nobody knows what actually happened’

A day after the bout, the UFC announced on its official site that Oliveira suffered an esophagus tear during the fight. Diego Lima, who wasn’t his head coach at the time but already a friend, was in Canada that week to accompany Felipe Arantes on the same card. He became Oliveira’s head coach some time later, and said what happened to “do Bronx” that night still remains a mystery.

“It was all very strange,” Lima told MMA Fighting. “Really crazy how it happened. So much so that even today nobody knows what actually happened. The hospital wouldn’t let him leave or return to Brazil because they couldn’t detect exactly what the problem was, he still had that paralysis. It was something very serious that no one ever figured out.”

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So this is maybe like how the UFC said that Pantoja dislocated his shoulder against Van when he clearly dislocated his elbow i.e. they just make-up whatever shit they feel like in the moment.

Because it's a decade later and Oliveira's coach is saying they don't know what happened, and yet the day after it happened the UFC claimed they knew exactly what happened.

I watched the fight live and multiple times since (only 90 seconds) and Oliviera gets hit in the face like twice (he eats a number of body shots mostly), he seems completely fine before he shoots for a takedown and kind of runs his head/neck/shoulder into the cage as he gets sprawled on. You can see him grimace as Max stands-up and pulls out of his guard, he throws some up-kicks, then as he stands-up he immediately grabs his neck and starts to turn away like he's injured and can't help but react like that.

I've never heard of a fighter getting an esophagus tear outside of this fight in boxing/kickboxing/MMA/etc. in 20+ years of following combat sports (including reading about fights that happened before I started paying attention). I don't know how you'd get a torn esophagus without getting hit in the throat/neck and already having a pre-existing tear; it seems pretty physically impossible on the basis that it's literally never happened in tens of thousands of recorded fights.

One of the weirdest fight results I've ever seen, still doesn't make sense.

 

[Mr.Maelstrom]

Oliveira 1.0 had a ton of bugs, and was often prone to glitching out. Crashed unexpectedly all the time

Do Bronx 2.0 [Mr. Blonde edition] runs perfectly.
He pursues the kill until he gets it or his opponent gets the kill themselves.
He's no longer wilting from bad preparations during camp or lapses in confidence or focus

He's committed to marching you down and firing away constantly until one of you is taken tf out.

Good luck with that, and don't forget to protect your neck

 

[JKS]

Going to be an incredible fight. I think Oliveras submission game will be a big problem here for Max, Olivera is at his most dangerous with that as he's ever been. I don't expect Olivera to play the stand up game much here.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

Both fighters filled-out at LW this should be a good scrap

I think Max’s boxing and TDD will be a major factor here

Max by a late finish (accumulation) or a dominant decision

 

[Conan the K-9]

What's weird is that was the official story, but the recent story completely changed:

UFC Sakatoon Injury Update: Charles Oliveira Suffered a Tear in His Esophagus

In a Monday morning update, however, UFC officials revealed that Oliveira suffered a micro-tear in his esophagus.

A decade later, Charles Oliveira’s injury suffered against Max Holloway remains a mystery: ‘Nobody knows what actually happened’

A day after the bout, the UFC announced on its official site that Oliveira suffered an esophagus tear during the fight. Diego Lima, who wasn’t his head coach at the time but already a friend, was in Canada that week to accompany Felipe Arantes on the same card. He became Oliveira’s head coach some time later, and said what happened to “do Bronx” that night still remains a mystery.

“It was all very strange,” Lima told MMA Fighting. “Really crazy how it happened. So much so that even today nobody knows what actually happened. The hospital wouldn’t let him leave or return to Brazil because they couldn’t detect exactly what the problem was, he still had that paralysis. It was something very serious that no one ever figured out.”

*****************************

So this is maybe like how the UFC said that Pantoja dislocated his shoulder against Van when he clearly dislocated his elbow i.e. they just make-up whatever shit they feel like in the moment.

Because it's a decade later and Oliveira's coach is saying they don't know what happened, and yet the day after it happened the UFC claimed they knew exactly what happened.

I watched the fight live and multiple times since (only 90 seconds) and Oliviera gets hit in the face like twice (he eats a number of body shots mostly), he seems completely fine before he shoots for a takedown and kind of runs his head/neck/shoulder into the cage as he gets sprawled on. You can see him grimace as Max stands-up and pulls out of his guard, he throws some up-kicks, then as he stands-up he immediately grabs his neck and starts to turn away like he's injured and can't help but react like that.

I've never heard of a fighter getting an esophagus tear outside of this fight in boxing/kickboxing/MMA/etc. in 20+ years of following combat sports (including reading about fights that happened before I started paying attention). I don't know how you'd get a torn esophagus without getting hit in the throat/neck and already having a pre-existing tear; it seems pretty physically impossible on the basis that it's literally never happened in tens of thousands of recorded fights.

One of the weirdest fight results I've ever seen, still doesn't make sense.

This could be some weird translation mistake again, would not be the first time.
The esophagus tear might be correct, but how it happened or what caused it, is the mystery here?

When I have time, I’ll try to find the original interview where he discusses this. If someone finds it, I would be happy if you can share it.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

I've never heard of a fighter getting an esophagus tear outside of this fight in boxing/kickboxing/MMA/etc. in 20+ years of following combat sports (including reading about fights that happened before I started paying attention). I don't know how you'd get a torn esophagus without getting hit in the throat/neck and already having a pre-existing tear; it seems pretty physically impossible on the basis that it's literally never happened in tens of thousands of recorded fights.

One of the weirdest fight results I've ever seen, still doesn't make sense.

I looked it up and all across shoot wrestling, boxing, kickboxing, even fuckin fencing this is the only recorded stoppage by esophagus tear.

I rewatched it for the first time in a while and think that it was just a weird way that Charle's neck bent during the sprawl immediately beforehand.


You can see his head bends awkwardly towards the right, putting strain on the left side of this throat/neck, which is where he grabs towards immediately.

Weird, random, freak one of a kind injury.

 

[Alpha_T83]

That was their first fight, Holloway vs Oliveira 2 still hasn't happened yet

It's almost a sad state of society that this would need to be pointed out, but yes you are doing the thread a favor with this PSA.

You can tell it's the 1st fight because of how young Oliveira looks.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Yea I thought it was common knowledge that it was an esophageal tear.

If that's true, he would potentially need esophageal dilatations every year, depending on the severity.