no need for the extra creatine if your taking it at the same time in a mix or back to back, the body can only absorb 5 grams at a time, any more than that and youll be shittin it out, seperate em and youll be good. creatine in morn, and no-x pre workout. whoever that clown was; that said that shit about what bsn reccomends, doesnt know what hes talkin about.....sounds like he works for bsn actually, ya know the label on your shampoo bottle that says that shit about using the same brand conditioner for "full effect"?...same idea homie...pz