Ninja Compares Fortnite To The NBA

[deadshot138]

This is right up there with him saying Drake was clout chasing by playing on his stream. Egomaniac that makes his money off children.

 

[surgeyou1]

You sound triggered, boomer.

 

[Hyperglide]

The guy is a massive tool no surprises here.

 

[hillelslovak87]

How can this universe exist when a man-child with blue hair is talking about respect and pride?

 

[KaNesDeath]

I agree with him on this topic.

 

[Hyperglide]

I really liked Griffin Gamings vid on Cringa lol..

 

[Madmick]

This is right up there with him saying Drake was clout chasing by playing on his stream. Egomaniac that makes his money off children.

He's right.

Not about Fortnite, specifically, but about eSports in general. It takes massive talent and hard work to reach the top. The only thing that's different is that the piles of money aren't as big.

 

[deadshot138]

You sound triggered, boomer.

Sorry couldnt hear you with Ninjas dick in your mouth.

 

[deadshot138]

He's right.

Not about Fortnite, specifically, but about eSports in general. It takes massive talent and hard work to reach the top. The only thing that's different is that the piles of money aren't as big.

And hard work. And talent. Hours of sitting in a chair being an antisocial autist doesn't compare to what it takes to make it to the NFL or NBA. Not by a long shot.

 

[Madmick]

And hard work. And talent. Hours of sitting in a chair being an antisocial autist doesn't compare to what it takes to make it to the NFL or NBA. Not by a long shot.

Do you have data to back this assertion?

Right now the money is smaller, so the talent pool is probably a bit smaller, and the competitive format is more in its infancy, so there is less sophistication of training methodology and infrastructure. Nevertheless, the number of kids who play videogames seriously as a hobby, and really try their best to be good, is disproportionately large relative to what the money might draw. You sound like the typical ignorant casual who has never been good-- really good-- at a game in your life, and doesn't realize how untalented you are. Ever played the best in the world at any game? I have. It's humiliating. You don't have the reaction times. You don't have the hand-eye coordination. Your decision-making is terrible and sluggish. Your management of ability cycles is sloppy. You comprehension of what it takes to win is nonexistent. You're too mentally slow.

eSports aren't quite on the level of traditional sports, yet, but the parallels are all quite valid.

Right now your just wielding an archaic, stereotypical condescension towards gaming in general: "...sitting in a chair being an antisocial autist" to describe competitive gaming when by definition that involves playing with other people. Ninja himself almost exclusively plays team modes where he's interacting with his teammates while coordinating tactics and strategy to win the game.

"Ok, Boomer", indeed.

 

[HereticBD]

And hard work. And talent. Hours of sitting in a chair being an antisocial autist doesn't compare to what it takes to make it to the NFL or NBA. Not by a long shot.

Like any other competition where the talent pool is in the millions, to be a pro takes next level talent and dedication. The only question is if someone would qualify videogames as a "sport", much like people do with darts or pool. It's not a "hit the gym" sport where physically matters, but you still have to pretty much dedicate your life to it on top of being naturally gifted in certain areas, if you're going to get anywhere near the top. The social aspects are neither hear nor there.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Is it high level competition? Yes. So is professional chess.

Is it athletic? No. Is any actually arguing that it is athletic? I don’t know, but I’ll assume they’re not.

 

[tehJameson]

Maybe if this came from someone who is actually a top pro at the game.

 

[Valhoven]

In sentiment I'm too of the mind if he means if play, play in earnest and with best foot forward. Reflecting on losses or being calculating, foresightful in adjustment falls in line with wanting to be proficient in something you enjoy doing, which is completely natural; following, 'it's just a game' can come across disparaging in its dismissal and reflect more an ignorance of the person(s) saying such.

Old proverb I always liked and hope not to butcher: whatever thou art, act well thy part. If you game, play poker, shoot, or collect rare coins, I do say, brothers, die for it. Get some and have pride and discipline in your doings.

Big picture but related, gaming has stereotypes to overcome. It never sat well with me – observations on every pastime under the sun being pedestalled, except gaming; no, that's not allowed. Swim doesn't tax me mentally but gaming does and at every login; why the greater down-looking on as much, I don't know. Reckon times are changing but slow goes it.

 

[0_o]

Do you have data to back this assertion?

Right now the money is smaller, so the talent pool is probably a bit smaller, and the competitive format is more in its infancy, so there is less sophistication of training methodology and infrastructure. Nevertheless, the number of kids who play videogames seriously as a hobby, and really try their best to be good, is disproportionately large relative to what the money might draw. You sound like the typical ignorant casual who has never been good-- really good-- at a game in your life, and doesn't realize how untalented you are. Ever played the best in the world at any game? I have. It's humiliating. You don't have the reaction times. You don't have the hand-eye coordination. Your decision-making is terrible and sluggish. Your management of ability cycles is sloppy. You comprehension of what it takes to win is nonexistent. You're too mentally slow.

eSports aren't quite on the level of traditional sports, yet, but the parallels are all quite valid.

Right now your just wielding an archaic, stereotypical condescension towards gaming in general: "...sitting in a chair being an antisocial autist" to describe competitive gaming when by definition that involves playing with other people. Ninja himself almost exclusively plays team modes where he's interacting with his teammates while coordinating tactics and strategy to win the game.

"Ok, Boomer", indeed.

Actually fortnite relies on hotkeys as much as reflexes and timing so if you're say, a console player with a three button map to create walls and a stair, while the average fortnite player is switching manually between walls with the y button, then skill wasn't always your biggest factor.

 

[GtehMVP]

And hard work. And talent. Hours of sitting in a chair being an antisocial autist doesn't compare to what it takes to make it to the NFL or NBA. Not by a long shot.

You ever see how good those starcraft players are, and how much practice it takes to be at their level? You're done by the time you're in your early 20's, for the most part. It's like watching robots in a sci-fi game.

Just because they sit in chairs, it doesnt take away from the hand eye coordination skills that are required, surely naturally, and through endless practice.

Ninja's such a fucking tool, can't stand that guy, but I can see how he'd be irked by someone downplaying the skills/practice it takes to be at top of your game, let alone top of the world. This applies to video games, chess, poker, or whatever anyone is competing in that takes skill.

He shouldn't be comparing himself to others though, show's what an insecure little bitch he is.

 

[Madmick]

Actually fortnite relies on hotkeys as much as reflexes and timing so if you're say, a console player with a three button map to create walls and a stair, while the average fortnite player is switching manually between walls with the y button, then skill wasn't always your biggest factor.

Reflexes and timing weren't the only attributes I mentioned, and this is one of the more humorous babblings I've read on the forum recently.

There's a word for what you're describing, and it isn't "hotkey", LOL, not that those are so skill-free to execute when the game demands 40+ to be managed. There are rules that govern the use of what you're describing; obviously without knowing what they are called. Most of them are legal. If you think this magically eliminates skill from competitive play, program as many as you like, and go get 'em, killer. Hell, use the illegal ones, and see how you do against the best. It won't matter, and it won't help you.

Your $3 million grand prize will be like taking candy from a baby.

 

[KaNesDeath]

And hard work. And talent. Hours of sitting in a chair being an antisocial autist doesn't compare to what it takes to make it to the NFL or NBA. Not by a long shot.

 

[0_o]

Reflexes and timing weren't the only attributes I mentioned, and this is one of the more humorous babblings I've read on the forum recently.

There's a word for what you're describing, and it isn't "hotkey", LOL, not that those are so skill-free to execute when the game demands 40+ to be managed. There are rules that govern the use of you're describing; obviously without knowing what they are called. Most of them are legal. If you think this magically eliminates skill from competitive play, program as many as you like, and go get 'em, killer. Hell, use the illegal ones, and see how you do against the best. It won't matter, and it won't help you.

Your $3 million grand prize will be like taking candy from a baby.

I use the term hotkey to describe shortcuts mapped to any key or button input (seen in the new instant build setting and individual building piece assignments) not to declare literal keys on a controller. Use your figurative brain before leaping face first into snarky tude:

Hotkey refers to this

vs a kid pressing y frantically on xbox factory settings

Players on console don't tend to mess with settings unless it's aim/look sensitivity, which could be argued still requires a ton of player reflexes to control properly. The game would have new players believe that pieces are "cycled" through on a single "change piece" button, not individually mapped pieces that can be instantly comboed in strings.

Like the individual mapping, autobuild shaves reflex requirements too. Spinning in a circle while spamming the "switch building type" button is fairly brainless and doesn't require a ton of reflex. So new players who expect factory settings to be the way all building works in-game are put at a huge swapping speed disadvantage against players who auto-build now, and nothing in their human reaction speed is going to outpace the rate at which their opponents change structures.

All that being said, at the highest level of competition everyone is mapping their pieces. But for the average console players starting the game for the first time, the learning curve is so steep because other players are binding their build speed, not "earning" each piece swap with their super fast scrolling abilities from the factory default

 

[Madmick]

I use the term hotkey to describe shortcuts mapped to any key or button input (seen in the new instant build setting and individual building piece assignments) not to declare literal keys on a controller. Use your figurative brain before leaping face first into snarky tude:

Hotkey refers to this

vs a kid pressing y frantically on xbox factory settings

Players on console don't tend to mess with settings unless it's aim/look sensitivity, which could be argued still requires a ton of player reflexes to control properly. The game would have new players believe that pieces are "cycled" through on a single "change piece" button, not individually mapped pieces that can be instantly comboed in strings.

Like the individual mapping, autobuild shaves reflex requirements too. Spinning in a circle while spamming the "switch building type" button is fairly brainless and doesn't require a ton of reflex. So new players who expect factory settings to be the way all building works in-game are put at a huge swapping speed disadvantage against players who auto-build now, and nothing in their human reaction speed is going to outpace the rate at which their opponents change structures.

All that being said, at the highest level of competition everyone is mapping their pieces. But for the average console players starting the game for the first time, the learning curve is so steep because other players are binding their build speed, not "earning" each piece swap with their super fast scrolling abilities from the factory default

Bud, I know what a "hotkey" is, but that isn't what you described. What you don't know is what a "macro" is. You've outed yourself as a serious (console) noob without realizing it. This is competitive gaming 101, and anyone who is steeped in the culture will know that basic term, and espy you as someone attempting to pontificate on a culture to which you're a neophyte.

Reaction times are a huge factor in Fortnite regardless of macro or hotkey mapping. All those do is condense common hotkey sequences. It doesn't change who reads a situation, realizes what to do, and then reacts accordingly with whatever input (build-based or otherwise) he is going to execute.