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Does Muay Thai have a market in USA? In most areas, when I have tried to locate Muay Thai, the places that were teaching it were BJJ gyms. The instructors rarely had a Muay Thai background. In most cases, they were BJJ guys who were wearing Muay Thai or MMA shorts and teaching striking for MMA.

Is there anyone here who trains in a Muay Thai dedicated facility? Or are you training under the umbrella of a BJJ school?
 
Not a lot in the US, but there are two main hotbeds -- SoCal and the Mid-Atlantic region; the latter being focused around New York and Washington DC. There are usually Muay Thai gyms in city centers all over the country, but a pure Muay Thai gym is hard to come by. All of the MT gyms in my area (Richmond, VA) are coupled with BJJ. I switched to a Kickboxing gym because the level of instruction is much higher compared to the MT gyms in my area (even though I would rather be competing in MT).
 
There is no real steady Muay Thai competition in the US, so there aren't many dedicated Muay Thai gyms, most are MMA gyms that have Muay Thai as part of the curriculum, or mixed with cross fit and other shit. It's difficult to sustain a gym that only teaches Muay Thai for the sport of Muay Thai in the US.
 
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I go to a pure Muay Thai gym. Some of the instructors compete in MMA so you can occasionally see people doing grappling. But that's really minor and aside from that it's all Muay Thai. They've won a bunch of competitions and stuff as I understand. This is my first foray outside regular boxing so I didn't realize it was unusual.
https://www.chicagokickboxingclub.com/
 
I never knew it was a rare thing, I went to one in Toronto and from what Ive heard its far from the only one in the area.
 
I wonder how is Jongsanan as a trainer? His legendary elbow fight was awesome. I know he coached Rose on TUF

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I only attended a seminar with him (and Sakmongkol together) which was awesome but didn't totally give me a feel for him as a trainer, but people I've trained with have done privates with him before and said he's really good. He trained Gilbert Melendez who had a very successful MMA career. He was teaching at Fairtex in San Francisco when Alex Gong was still around and they made a great instructional together:

 
There is also a prominent golden era champ teaching in NY but for the life of me I can't remember which one.

If you want a MT desert go to Germany. I don't think there is a single MT trainer that has fought in stadiums at a high level in the whole country. And this country is the most populous in all of continental yurrp.
 
Kaensak teaches in NJ. He recently had a seminar with him and Samart. This week I think Chatchai, former WBC champ, olympian and former Muay Thai competitor is teaching a seminar there. Kaensak Sor Ploenjit was a golden era champ.

https://www.kaensakmuaythaigym.com
 
Does Muay Thai have a market in USA? In most areas, when I have tried to locate Muay Thai, the places that were teaching it were BJJ gyms. The instructors rarely had a Muay Thai background. In most cases, they were BJJ guys who were wearing Muay Thai or MMA shorts and teaching striking for MMA.

Is there anyone here who trains in a Muay Thai dedicated facility? Or are you training under the umbrella of a BJJ school?

I train at a dedicated MT school. I use to train at a MMA school that taught competent muay thai and had a decent lineage but their forte was kenpo, judo and BJJ. Their stand up was pretty legit though. current MT school is legit MT, like ran by Thai people and everything.

But being in CA it's probably more prevalent
 
Many "muay thai" gyms in the US and west practice what is really a k1 influenced hybrid style of kickboxing with elbows and knees that has exaggerated baseball bat power kicking. Europe has plenty of legit trad muay thai however, particularly in France and the UK.

Obviously mma striking is not muay thai and some mma gyms will use the term muay thai interchangeably with striking to advertise their mma striking program (hell they sometimes switch between kickboxing and Muay thai and striking depending on context-i. E. Web search, time table etc) even when what they reach is cookie cutter mma striking.

Not saying that westernised "muay thai" and mma striking don't have thier advantages. The latter is obviously designed for different ruleset, even if it has some elements it could learn and refine through more MT. But if you want actual Muay Thai make sure to do some research into the gym.

On a side tangent don't tell Muay Thai elitists that mma striking is fundamentally different for a reason because they hate if you point out that muay thai isn't perfect for anything and the bees knees essentially

I had this experience with Sylvies husband Kevin Van Douglas Ittu recently, Despite sharing many of his views on all the awful myths about real muay thai, such as the myth that MT fighters have shit boxing or that thais haven't thais haven't transitioned well to boxing when many have, I triggered him by pointing out that muay thai, boxing and mma stances and dynamics were different on a discussion about checking kicks and that whilst many thais have done well in boxing, it's probably not correct to say that's interwoven into the art when they all cross trained outside of thier gyms on boxing or came from gyms that double as boxing gyms.

Basically elite level boxing skill is not represented in the average practioner and most gyms are pure MT gyms without that pedigree.
 
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Ive been to The Arena Gym in San Diego a handful of times and it is my favorite out of all the gyms I have been to. Very professional facility with a great community and coaches. As for gear, Xmartial sells authentic MT shorts which go on sale frequently. You should check that out too!
 
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