Moving while punching?

[Boxing123]

Okay, I have moved to a new boxing gym and here they teach moving while punching differently. before I was taught to jab while moving my lead foot, drag my rear foot, and THAN throw the cross. At this gym I am told to move my lead foot when I jab, then move my rear foot up AS I throw my cross. This is the first time I have hear of this way to throw the 1-2 punch. Which way is correct? Should I move boxing gyms? (again??)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaWNPYVi6bU&feature=youtu.be Now with a video. Please tell me if I am executing the footwork correctly. Sorry for it being sideways.

 

[yodave]

You don't have to wait for the rear foot to actually hit the floor before you throw the punch, you can throw the cross as your other foot comes down, just follow the mechanics of the cross as your rear foot comes down, the trick is to not let the footwork mess the mechanics of your cross. Really you can move your feet and punch at the same time, it just takes a lot of practice and know how. I find the best way is to let your feet relax and not let them get stiff, that way you can still have all that power in your cross and not lose any of it.

 

[Boxing123]

So yodave, ur saying the second method is more efficient?

 

[Nuclearlandmine]

Yes.

 

[yodave]

So yodave, ur saying the second method is more efficient?

It's more effective if you can pull it off, it's more difficult to do but you will be able to stick and move more, you will be faster throwing your cross as you won't have to wait for the foot to come down, but it's harder to do. The problem is that if you face a guy who doesn't have to set his feet before he throws punches you won't have time to get off as he will already be gone by the time you try to fire your punches off. The first method forces you to set your feet before you throw punches, the second method will be faster and quite frankly you can throw a very hard cross with it as well, you just need to learn how to throw a proper cross on the move, it's definitively doable.

Your jab and cross should instantly follow each other and you should be able to move anywhere while you do it, there's no reason to wait for your rear foot to set before you throw unless the movement is confusing you but if you have a good coach he can teach you all of this.

 

[peanut66]

i was taught to imagine a string tied from your hand to your foot , like a puppet , jab hand goes and lead foot follows , cross goes and rear foot follows , my cross seams to get there just a little bit faster than my foot .

im not a boxer though , they might do it differntly

 

[Sinister]

Second method is correct, and you DO want your rear foot down at the very least at the point of impact of the 2.

 

[Fire of Youth]

Just to muddy the waters even more, I step with my opposite feet. I am orthodox, I step with my right foot on the jab and step with my left foot on the cross. Adds power and defensive movements to my attacks but requires very fast footwork or you throw yourself off balance.

Horses for courses boys.

 

[Sinister]

Yeah, that's a big mystery there.

 

[snizzar]

Just to muddy the waters even more, I step with my opposite feet. I am orthodox, I step with my right foot on the jab and step with my left foot on the cross. Adds power and defensive movements to my attacks but requires very fast footwork or you throw yourself off balance.

Horses for courses boys.

??? How do you even jab and step with your right foot? Call me crazy but I don't think that's correct punching mechanics...

 

[StopDucking]

Just to muddy the waters even more, I step with my opposite feet. I am orthodox, I step with my right foot on the jab and step with my left foot on the cross. Adds power and defensive movements to my attacks but requires very fast footwork or you throw yourself off balance.

Horses for courses boys.

Do you throw left hooks with your right hand as well?

 

[a guy]

??? How do you even jab and step with your right foot? Call me crazy but I don't think that's correct punching mechanics...

I'm not sure if it's what he means, but sometimes I'll feint a cross and shift my weight to my front hip slightly, then throw a jab as I step my right foot out at 45 degrees. I only do it to set up kicks with my left foot though and the jab is more of a pawing/blinding one than a snappy punch.

 

[Sinister]

That type of technique is not unheard of in boxing. A punch used to move a specific direction safely (safely via threat), but it shouldn't ever simply be described as "I step with my right foot when I jab," because that gives the impression the step is done forward. And I can't honestly see any argument for how that would add power regardless of the direction of the step.

 

[Fire of Youth]

That type of technique is not unheard of in boxing. A punch used to move a specific direction safely (safely via threat), but it shouldn't ever simply be described as "I step with my right foot when I jab," because that gives the impression the step is done forward. And I can't honestly see any argument for how that would add power regardless of the direction of the step.

I step forward and on angles as I throw. It just depends on the type of punch I am throwing and the angle I want to move in (rarely straight forward or straight back).

Mechanically, it is similar to throwing a ball. If you throw with your right hand then you typically lead with the left foot and translate your whole body weight from your rear right foot into your front left foot. I do a similar thing with my punches. I still utilise the kinetic chaining of traditional boxing technique thus producing power.

It is rather similar to sitting on your punches except with a driving step added in. When you sit into your left hook, you transfer your weight from your left leg into your rear right leg. By adding a step in, I can still throw my body weight into the punch thus increasing power. Now you can step in any direction as you do this. You can step back (at an angle) to give you room to throw. You could step laterally to add a defensive slip to your attack. You could step forward at a 45 degrees to add more power and get inside. I like the versatility of attacking and defending at the same time with this type of footwork. Sure the grounded fighter who just sits into their punches are a bit more stable but also a bit more static in their movement.

The main problem with this type of footwork is that you need very fast feet. Your feet have to move as fast as your hands otherwise you run the risk of throwing yourself off balance and losing the bulk of your power. I was fortunate to have fast feet and based my fighting around it.

I obviously didn't explain myself very well in my earlier post since there seemed to be so much confusion. This type of footwork isn't that uncommon. Tyson used this type of footwork a lot, as did Frazier and Haggler and Hearns and the list goes on.

When I clock over to a new internet month in a week or so I will try to find some good footage of the footwork.

 

[snizzar]

That type of technique is not unheard of in boxing. A punch used to move a specific direction safely (safely via threat), but it shouldn't ever simply be described as "I step with my right foot when I jab," because that gives the impression the step is done forward. And I can't honestly see any argument for how that would add power regardless of the direction of the step.

Lol yeah that's exactly how I read it. I can see the application in stepping backwards for the jab with the right foot to pretty much create a pivot/new angle, and side stepping to the right to evade laterally but that's it. I can't see any other type of movement with the right foot being feasible.

 

[snizzar]

I still can't see there being any benefit of power except only when you step back with your right foot when throwing the left hook to add more momentum. Moving to the side or up though definitely shouldn't increase power or even keep it the same as compared to throwing it planted and stationary.

From the way you describe it sounds like you're throwing that shogun cheat punch when he lunges in the pocket moving his rear foot forward at the same time throwing the lead hook. It's VERY awkward IMO and you're asking to get KOed when somebody sees it coming and lets you run into their fist with all that forward momentum. Also if I'm interpreting it correctly you're essentially changing stances and maybe I'm old fashioned, but until you've mastered the punches from one stance I personally feel one shouldn't be doing that.

This is all assuming you're punching the way I see you doing it in my head of course lol.

 

[Fire of Youth]

I still can't see there being any benefit of power except only when you step back with your right foot when throwing the left hook to add more momentum. Moving to the side or up though definitely shouldn't increase power or even keep it the same as compared to throwing it planted and stationary.

From the way you describe it sounds like you're throwing that shogun cheat punch when he lunges in the pocket moving his rear foot forward at the same time throwing the lead hook. It's VERY awkward IMO and you're asking to get KOed when somebody sees it coming and lets you run into their fist with all that forward momentum. Also if I'm interpreting it correctly you're essentially changing stances and maybe I'm old fashioned, but until you've mastered the punches from one stance I personally feel one shouldn't be doing that.

This is all assuming you're punching the way I see you doing it in my head of course lol.

I fight squarish so the changing of the stance is not as big a deal as you might think.

You are also correct that I run the risk of running into a punch. But then again that is a big risk for any style that revolves around mobility. Slipping that cross can be great until you misjudge it and slip into a hook. This is countered to a point by making your movement more versatile and thus less predictable. If your opponent can't hit you where you are and has trouble picking where you are going to be then it becomes very difficult for them to make you run into that hit.

As for the increasing the power of the punch, it is like running your punch into your opponent. If you spring your body weight in the same direction as your punch at the point of contact then its all good. The hindrance I previously discussed becomes the strength of the footwork. You can increase the power of the hit by increasing the amount of body weight thrown into the punch (e.g. sitting into punch, step in the direction etc). Sitting into your punch and stepping into the punch both use similar principles.

Also don't confuse my use of this type of footwork as my only footwork. I use traditional footwork too. I pivot and step with my lead foot for jabs etc. It is just another tool for my arsenal. I have quite a few different jabs. My hardest power jab is when I step forward and out with my rear right foot. It is almost as hard as my right cross. This also seemes to work best when my opponent is coming at me. I add my slip and make them run into my power jab. I can then peel off to the side and pivot out at a new angle or step back in with my left foot whilst firing a right punch/kick.

 

[peanut66]

I fight squarish so the changing of the stance is not as big a deal as you might think.

You are also correct that I run the risk of running into a punch. But then again that is a big risk for any style that revolves around mobility. Slipping that cross can be great until you misjudge it and slip into a hook. This is countered to a point by making your movement more versatile and thus less predictable. If your opponent can't hit you where you are and has trouble picking where you are going to be then it becomes very difficult for them to make you run into that hit.

As for the increasing the power of the punch, it is like running your punch into your opponent. If you spring your body weight in the same direction as your punch at the point of contact then its all good. The hindrance I previously discussed becomes the strength of the footwork. You can increase the power of the hit by increasing the amount of body weight thrown into the punch (e.g. sitting into punch, step in the direction etc). Sitting into your punch and stepping into the punch both use similar principles.

Also don't confuse my use of this type of footwork as my only footwork. I use traditional footwork too. I pivot and step with my lead foot for jabs etc. It is just another tool for my arsenal. I have quite a few different jabs. My hardest power jab is when I step forward and out with my rear right foot. It is almost as hard as my right cross. This also seemes to work best when my opponent is coming at me. I add my slip and make them run into my power jab. I can then peel off to the side and pivot out at a new angle or step back in with my left foot whilst firing a right punch/kick.

are you actually walking forward as you punch , which would mean changing of stance , or do you stay in an orthox stance ?

we work on both scenarios in mma kickboxing , the walking forward type would be similar to the martial arts version of throwing reverse punch and keep moving forward , punching with alternating hands , the other type we use is stepping up to but not past lead foot and throwing a cross ,which keeps you in an orthodox squarish stance

carlos condit uses the first opition alot , reverse punch as he walks forward and he hides the kick behind the punch

and johnny hendrix uses the second type , step up to but not past , when he throws multiple left cross while closing the gap

i dont really see any boxers use that step , although there probably are some that do .

 

[Boxing123]

SO do I pivot as i SLIDE my foot up? Or do i take a small step with my rear foot and land pivoted?

 

[panamaican]

I fight squarish so the changing of the stance is not as big a deal as you might think.

You are also correct that I run the risk of running into a punch. But then again that is a big risk for any style that revolves around mobility. Slipping that cross can be great until you misjudge it and slip into a hook. This is countered to a point by making your movement more versatile and thus less predictable. If your opponent can't hit you where you are and has trouble picking where you are going to be then it becomes very difficult for them to make you run into that hit.

As for the increasing the power of the punch, it is like running your punch into your opponent. If you spring your body weight in the same direction as your punch at the point of contact then its all good. The hindrance I previously discussed becomes the strength of the footwork. You can increase the power of the hit by increasing the amount of body weight thrown into the punch (e.g. sitting into punch, step in the direction etc). Sitting into your punch and stepping into the punch both use similar principles.

Also don't confuse my use of this type of footwork as my only footwork. I use traditional footwork too. I pivot and step with my lead foot for jabs etc. It is just another tool for my arsenal. I have quite a few different jabs. My hardest power jab is when I step forward and out with my rear right foot. It is almost as hard as my right cross. This also seemes to work best when my opponent is coming at me. I add my slip and make them run into my power jab. I can then peel off to the side and pivot out at a new angle or step back in with my left foot whilst firing a right punch/kick.

I found your post interesting and decided to play around with the mechanics to see how it's done. I can see how you generate power with the rear hand and lead leg step. The lead hand with the rear leg is slightly more awkward but I'm imagining it's because I don't know how wide you're standing or your weight distribution at the beginning.

I've worked on throwing a lead jab and powering it through the rear foot but never with a step, it's interesting. Are driving the lead jab with the front leg and just pulling the rear leg up? Then using the coiled position as the baseline for stepping out with lead leg/rear hand?