Most effective takedowns against bigger opponents for self defense?
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Imanari roll.
If that fails, kip up and then pull open guard into a balloon sweep. If that fails, berimbolo.
Basically, act like a very aggressive angry monkey. Works every time. Big people are afraid of monkeys.
Work on techniques that don't rely on going straight into them. The low single is good, as is the sweep single. If your judo is on point that opens up a lot of options. But mostly, unless you're good enough and work on takedowns enough that you already take down people 50-100lbs heavier than you on the regular, you should just work on your takedowns until you do. This question gets asked all the time and some of the people answering just throw their favorite takedown out, even if it's not a good idea. Other people say "just pull guard lul". Yet others give a few good answers, but they disregard the fact that most people asking this question likely lack the timing and skill to hit the takedown against resistance on someone their size, let alone much bigger.
The answer should always be: just keep working your takedowns against partners of all sizes, under competent coaching, and you'll find your own answer.
For me it's seoi nage, collar drags, and sweep singles (and pulling SLX). For other people it might be arm drags to singles, or tomoe nage to tripod sweeps, or whatever. Doesn't matter. Just probably don't plan on it being a blast double or osoto gari, I guess.
If that fails, kip up and then pull open guard into a balloon sweep. If that fails, berimbolo.
Basically, act like a very aggressive angry monkey. Works every time. Big people are afraid of monkeys.
Work on techniques that don't rely on going straight into them. The low single is good, as is the sweep single. If your judo is on point that opens up a lot of options. But mostly, unless you're good enough and work on takedowns enough that you already take down people 50-100lbs heavier than you on the regular, you should just work on your takedowns until you do. This question gets asked all the time and some of the people answering just throw their favorite takedown out, even if it's not a good idea. Other people say "just pull guard lul". Yet others give a few good answers, but they disregard the fact that most people asking this question likely lack the timing and skill to hit the takedown against resistance on someone their size, let alone much bigger.
The answer should always be: just keep working your takedowns against partners of all sizes, under competent coaching, and you'll find your own answer.
For me it's seoi nage, collar drags, and sweep singles (and pulling SLX). For other people it might be arm drags to singles, or tomoe nage to tripod sweeps, or whatever. Doesn't matter. Just probably don't plan on it being a blast double or osoto gari, I guess.
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A good wrestler could take down most people who outweigh them by 50 to 100 pounds, however, if the big guy has trained you are pretty much fucked. All things being equal the bigger guy will win 99/100 times, the one time he doesn't win is freak luck.
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Lol, you may as well ask the heavier guy to walk in synch with you.
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All takedowns are difficult on bigger people. Shooting singles and doubles is quite risky as they can sprawl and squash you.
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Clinch. Sweep a leg.
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Einarr used Osoto on many ~350lb. Icelandic strongmen. None survived.
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Death by osoto
You have to be better trained.
Simple as that!
Kimura: "When I work with a large opponent I think that it is easier to throw them."
Shioda on Kimura's technique. " Even with just a single Osoto Gari, the execution was different. It wasn’t like today’s competition of physical power, Kimura threw with technique. No matter how big they were, they would be down on the mat in an instant"
You have to be better trained.
Simple as that!
Kimura: "When I work with a large opponent I think that it is easier to throw them."
Shioda on Kimura's technique. " Even with just a single Osoto Gari, the execution was different. It wasn’t like today’s competition of physical power, Kimura threw with technique. No matter how big they were, they would be down on the mat in an instant"
You have to be better trained.
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We're talking about just taking them down, not murdering them.
You answered your own question. The low single is one of the best techniques for taking people down that have a significant weight advantage over you.
Why would this technique be hard to hit in an outside scenario? It wouldn't even have to be well time against someone who is 50-100lbs heavier as you should have a significant speed advantage.
Why would this technique be hard to hit in an outside scenario? It wouldn't even have to be well time against someone who is 50-100lbs heavier as you should have a significant speed advantage.
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Do you think singles are safer then doubles? I'm not a wrestler but I've had better success with singles and haven't ended up stuck underneath guys like I have with a double.
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Agreed. I'm a bigger guy and I know which moves work best on me. Any takedowns (or sweeps) that compromise the legs are most effective on bigger guys because we're top heavy. Think of a house built on stilts. Compromise one stilt and you drastically decrease stability. So with the low outside, snatch up that leg and you're already about 80% home. For a good example, watch how Cain took down Brock.
Yes. If I sprawl on your double, you're crushed beneath me. If I sprawl on your outside single, you're half way out, and with a speed advantage, you could scramble to my back.
Personally, I believe the outside single is the best tech to take down a bigger opponent.
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A topical data point on the subject i happened across the other day.
The little guy is Lyubo Kumbarov, a bulgarian national champ and the wrestling instructor at Roger's academy.
Of the three takedowns hit, two were sweep singles, and one was a turn over/peek out from a front bodylock.
(Also interesting was the 'uninterrupted' way he transitioned from sweep single to leg drag/stack pass).
The little guy is Lyubo Kumbarov, a bulgarian national champ and the wrestling instructor at Roger's academy.
Of the three takedowns hit, two were sweep singles, and one was a turn over/peek out from a front bodylock.
(Also interesting was the 'uninterrupted' way he transitioned from sweep single to leg drag/stack pass).
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Man, Lyubo is a genius. Good to see the grappling community paying attention to him.
Check the videos he has on this page:
