Modifications using peek a boo style for MT and Kickboxing?

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Being the short stocky build (5'2'') and sparring against guys that taller then me, I realize traditional MT can be difficult for a short guy like myself unless I got a rock hard chin like coban or somsong and eat punches on the way in, but clearly I'm new to the fight game (year experience) and definately no where near that. And I don't think I'll be able to take punch like those guys.

I was wondering if the peek a boo guard, something that tyson uses can be used for MT (rules) and Kickboxing (rules).

Are there any nak muays or kickboxers out there that used this and if so, what modifications have you made?
 
I would suggest watching a lot of Mike Zambidis fights, he is always much shorter than his opponents and fights like that. Here is a old HL video of him

 
sweet Jesus he has some nasty hooks, knees and beautiful superman punches. He gets in there to negate his opponents reach advantage.
 
Alistair Overeem, Hesdy Gerges and Remy Bonjasky use the peek a boo/high guard defence in MT.
 
IDK about the peek-a-boo defense, but I'm seconding Zambidis on the basis that I saw him live once and that guy is a fucking monster. Just amazingly badass.
 
c0r1nth14n said:
IDK about the peek-a-boo defense, but I'm seconding Zambidis on the basis that I saw him live once and that guy is a fucking monster. Just amazingly badass.
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has he been to north america?....it would definately be awesome to train with his camp
 
dtravis92 said:
I would suggest watching a lot of Mike Zambidis fights, he is always much shorter than his opponents and fights like that. Here is a old HL video of him

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who is that he fought at 1:15? the guy had like a foot on him
 
NuTzOnSwOll said:
Alistair Overeem, Hesdy Gerges and Remy Bonjasky use the peek a boo/high guard defence in MT.
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I think he's talking about Peek a boo in the boxing style taught by Cus D'Amato which involves lots of head movement, a big punch and lots of pressure. I've tried to use it a bit in kickboxing. I think you need to be very careful about how much you move your head, you can't afford to move it as much as Cus' fighters like Tyson and Patterson because you will get kicked or kneed in the head. Only bend at the knees is a good rule.

Like others have mentioned Zambidis has a nice peek a boo style thing going in kickboxing, Melvin Manhoef also has a simmilar style and sucessfuly fought people much taller and heavier than him in his prime. Both these fighters still seem vunerable to knees and head kicks though.

From my own experiences I think you need to be really good at parrying the push kick too to be a sucessfull pressure fighter in kickboxing, you can step in on roundhouses but push kicks will get you every time. You also need some some good cardio if you plan on staying in somones face and throwing punches and leg kicks while moving your head and avoding counter punches for round after round.

Oh yeah you need to be good at cutting off the ring too. Keep your opponent on the ropes or ideally in a corner.
 
AXelator said:
I think he's talking about Peek a boo in the boxing style taught by Cus D'Amato which involves lots of head movement, a big punch and lots of pressure. I've tried to use it a bit in kickboxing. I think you need to be very careful about how much you move your head, you can't afford to move it as much as Cus' fighters like Tyson and Patterson because you will get kicked or kneed in the head. Only bend at the knees is a good rule.

Like others have mentioned Zambidis has a nice peek a boo style thing going in kickboxing, Melvin Manhoef also has a simmilar style and sucessfuly fought people much taller and heavier than him in his prime. Both these fighters still seem vunerable to knees and head kicks though.

From my own experiences I think you need to be really good at parrying the push kick too to be a sucessfull pressure fighter in kickboxing, you can step in on roundhouses but push kicks will get you every time. You also need some some good cardio if you plan on staying in somones face and throwing punches and leg kicks while moving your head and avoding counter punches for round after round.

Oh yeah you need to be good at cutting off the ring too. Keep your opponent on the ropes or ideally in a corner.
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he's asking for the peek-a-boo defense but modified for MT/KB (read OP).
The PB defence is characterized by a high guard through which the fighter's line of sight is through the guard.
Remy Bonjasky does that too the tee. Obviously he cant do the head movement much but he stays behind that guard and pops back with punches and kicks. Same with Overeem.
Of course it can be argued that their defense is more to the PBs successor ..the high guard, as employed by Joshua Clottey, Winky Wright.
I think its not as static as the high guard but blends the best of both.

as for Zambidis and Manhoef, nothing earthshaking there. These guys are the shortest of their weight class so they have to have their guard high , to protect their head. Thats where 90% of the shots are headed and not their body.
any fighter who cant understand/perform this has obviously been weeded out.
 
Yeah but the OP is very short (no offence) so I assumed he was reffering to the peek a boo style that the fighters I mentioned have with the head movement, even if he didn't make it completely clear.

Bonjasky and Overeem are both tall even for heavy weights, so I don't think their style is going to work so well for a 5ft 2 guy.
 
Hey thanks guys.

I was reffering to a peek a boo guard, the one effective for a short fighter such as the one tyson uses, but if it can be used in MT and Kickboxing what modifications should be made?

should I entirely remove the bob and weave? the slip? and just keep a high guard the whole time?
 
No, bobbing and weaving and slipping is all good. You just need to make sure that you don't overemphasize the movement or become predictable. All the slipping movements should be done just enough to make the punch miss, you don't want the punch to miss by a foot or something since it makes it hard to counter and puts you out of position, which can lead to getting hit by follow up shots. This is true in boxing as well, however they are more likely to get away with bigger movements.
 
When looking at other top fighters for inspiration, i have found a good combination in Mike Tyson and Thiago Alves..

I am 175 cm tall
 
You didn't mention it in the OP, but it might be helpful to know your weight at 5'2. PB is great for stocky people who have a lot of core strength to blast out hooks and uppercuts. If you are 5'2 but also thin framed, you might be inviting larger guys to brawl with you since they aren't afraid of your power. If that's the case, you should focus on your footwork and work rate instead of employing a high guard. To a tall opponent, nothing is better than fighting a shorter guy who doesn't move. If you provide a sitting target, he'll just keep nailing you with jabs. If you do close the distance but don't do anything with it, they're just gonna throw on a clinch and knee the crap out of you. You have to always be moving in and out of their range, at angles they can't hit you.
 
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