MMA= JIu jitsu + muaythai or Boxing?

[drumerdud]

I know this is different for everyone, and i am not asking which is better,, i just want to know the experiences of other people. For me, jiu jitsu is my base, and im am currently taking muay thai. (coz i already took boxing before)

But yea, my question is....

if u are a jiu jitsu specialist, which striking art do u thnk has complimented ur jiu jitsu more...boxing or muay thai (and this is for mma)

 

[BabyRj**]

in my experience and from what i have seen in fighters, Boxing compliments wrestling, and jiu jitsu compliments muay thai.

Wrestlers like to keep a strong base, so they would theoretically have a hard time adjusting to the high possibility of being off-balance in muay thai. Boxing is great for wrestlers IMO. I'd say if you have not done a striking art in your life, do boxing, then kickboxing, good pugilistic skill is just soooo important. If i had a dollar for every kickboxer i have seen with sub-par to poor boxing, i would be able to quit my job and train full-time.

Personally i think, Jiu jitsu and Muay Thai are a match made in heaven, they both require flexibility and "good hips" as they call it. Both are very versatile arts, modern jiujitsu encompasses all forms of grappling that would work under they're rules. Muay thai includes of course, all limbs, and it isn't strictly just thai techniques, basically anything that would work in the ring is acceptable in modern kickboxing.

Keep in mind tho, from what i have seen, good boxing skills are an indispensable asset in an MMA match, you could have shitty kicks, or elbows, knees etc. But if you have heavy, accurate hands you will go very far in the sport.

One thing that i noticed is missing in alot of MMA fighters is fundamentals... I always see them swinging for the fences, trying to get that big punch, and alot of them use the "superman punch"(which was originally meant to be a clever and deceptive setup) like it is going out of style. One day i want to see the "art" brought back into mixed martial arts, and i am talking specifically about the stand-up fighting, i have only seen a handful of fighters that are masterful at MMA striking. The striking is lagging way behind the grappling in this sport.

 

[drumerdud]

in my experience and from what i have seen in fighters, Boxing compliments wrestling, and jiu jitsu compliments muay thai.

Wrestlers like to keep a strong base, so they would theoretically have a hard time adjusting to the high possibility of being off-balance in muay thai. Boxing is great for wrestlers IMO. I'd say if you have not done a striking art in your life, do boxing, then kickboxing, good pugilistic skill is just soooo important. If i had a dollar for every kickboxer i have seen with sub-par to poor boxing, i would be able to quit my job and train full-time.

Personally i think, Jiu jitsu and Muay Thai are a match made in heaven, they both require flexibility and "good hips" as they call it. Both are very versatile arts, modern jiujitsu encompasses all forms of grappling that would work under they're rules. Muay thai includes of course, all limbs, and it isn't strictly just thai techniques, basically anything that would work in the ring is acceptable in modern kickboxing.

Keep in mind tho, from what i have seen, good boxing skills are an indispensable asset in an MMA match, you could have shitty kicks, or elbows, knees etc. But if you have heavy, accurate hands you will go very far in the sport.

One thing that i noticed is missing in alot of MMA fighters is fundamentals... I always see them swinging for the fences, trying to get that big punch, and alot of them use the "superman punch"(which was originally meant to be a clever and deceptive setup) like it is going out of style. One day i want to see the "art" brought back into mixed martial arts, and i am talking specifically about the stand-up fighting, i have only seen a handful of fighters that are masterful at MMA striking. The striking is lagging way behind the grappling in this sport.

hmmm..great point! My opinion, its also a good combination,,,coz i think muay thai fighters are more prone to get taken down. This is just 2nd to what u said though.. i totally agree that they both need flexibility and good hips. AND any mmaist should make sure they have good hands first.

 

[No Quarter]

For me MMA = Judo+ Muay Thai. I train a bit of BJJ and Wrestling, but these are my main disciplines.

 

[KidKimura]

Well some kind of kick boxing is essential, unless u plan on never kicking! But I think at a pro level u should train in everything. I think alot of kickboxers could benefit from training in boxing as well. Most good gyms will have classes in both

 

[Malchir]

in my experience and from what i have seen in fighters, Boxing compliments wrestling, and jiu jitsu compliments muay thai.

Wrestlers like to keep a strong base, so they would theoretically have a hard time adjusting to the high possibility of being off-balance in muay thai. Boxing is great for wrestlers IMO. I'd say if you have not done a striking art in your life, do boxing, then kickboxing, good pugilistic skill is just soooo important. If i had a dollar for every kickboxer i have seen with sub-par to poor boxing, i would be able to quit my job and train full-time.

Personally i think, Jiu jitsu and Muay Thai are a match made in heaven, they both require flexibility and "good hips" as they call it. Both are very versatile arts, modern jiujitsu encompasses all forms of grappling that would work under they're rules. Muay thai includes of course, all limbs, and it isn't strictly just thai techniques, basically anything that would work in the ring is acceptable in modern kickboxing.

Keep in mind tho, from what i have seen, good boxing skills are an indispensable asset in an MMA match, you could have shitty kicks, or elbows, knees etc. But if you have heavy, accurate hands you will go very far in the sport.

One thing that i noticed is missing in alot of MMA fighters is fundamentals... I always see them swinging for the fences, trying to get that big punch, and alot of them use the "superman punch"(which was originally meant to be a clever and deceptive setup) like it is going out of style. One day i want to see the "art" brought back into mixed martial arts, and i am talking specifically about the stand-up fighting, i have only seen a handful of fighters that are masterful at MMA striking. The striking is lagging way behind the grappling in this sport.

Best post I've ever read on here. Props.

 

[vince89]

Oh noes! Yet another 'which one is better/more dangerous/more practical/more suitable for me' thread! Can't get enough of these!

 

[Fawkes]

Oh noes! Yet another 'which one is better/more dangerous/more practical/more suitable for me' thread! Can't get enough of these!

In their defense, they actually asked other BJJ fighters what stand-up style has helped them the most, not what would help him/her.

 

[Kozmosis Jones]

If you are a shorter fighter, wrestling and boxing should probably be your forte. I believe that in boxing becomes much more effective when combined with the threat of a takedown. Of course you still need to be good at the other areas

 

[vince89]

In their defense, they actually asked other BJJ fighters what stand-up style has helped them the most, not what would help him/her.

Guys are just too obsessed with the styles and the labels on the tin. You go to Muay Thai, you train punching, kicks, knees - whatever, end result is your striking gets better. Going to Muay Thai is not going to mess up your balance, its not going to mess up your little theory fighter idea of yourself. Just train everywhere and STFU. This forum is full of theory fighters, that spend hours discussing what would be better instead of actually going out there and trying things out.

 

[Chris B]

Guys are just too obsessed with the styles and the labels on the tin. You go to Muay Thai, you train punching, kicks, knees - whatever, end result is your striking gets better. Going to Muay Thai is not going to mess up your balance, its not going to mess up your little theory fighter idea of yourself. Just train everywhere and STFU. This forum is full of theory fighters, that spend hours discussing what would be better instead of actually going out there and trying things out.

I have to agree to disagree with you. Having trained in various styles for 25 years, some styles compliment each other more readily. Traditional Jiujitsu uses a low stance with foot movement much different than Muay Thai and extremely different from boxing. It would takes volumes to discuss this at length, but sufficeth to say it is not that simple. You assume that people who post here don't train? Personally, I am at work right now with down time between court cases and am reading to pass the time.

Making a snap comment about theory only shows lack of understanding. or that you did not think through your statement Fighting and warfare is a thinking man's game. If strategy is only about "doing", why do officers in the military spend so much time with required reading in the war colleges. Why do people study Sun Tzu or Myomoto Musashi or Ancient Battles long over and that used weapons that are out of date? Theory is EXTREMELY important to development as a martial artist. Of course you have to train and of course you have to learn technique, but theory is too often discounted today. Thought is what causes growth.

I absolutely agree with the comments above about wanting to see technique in the stand up game in MMA. I do not see many fighter's with good technique, and I think a lot of it has to do with that "give it all to me now" attitude that many people here seem to take. Just because someone is a good fighter in the UFC or IFL or WHATEVER does not mean they could not be a better fighter by tightening up their movement and learning better technique. Just because someone may be able to beat someone in a ring doesn't mean the fighter that lost doesn't have valid points or that the victor is worth emulating. There are other viable Martial Arts besides the ones taught in most MMA gyms and there are countless techniques not studied in those same gyms.

 

[drumerdud]

Guys are just too obsessed with the styles and the labels on the tin. You go to Muay Thai, you train punching, kicks, knees - whatever, end result is your striking gets better. Going to Muay Thai is not going to mess up your balance, its not going to mess up your little theory fighter idea of yourself. Just train everywhere and STFU. This forum is full of theory fighters, that spend hours discussing what would be better instead of actually going out there and trying things out.

pls dont be so quick to judge...coz first of all..ur whole argument is wrong already.

READ the post!!!!!!!

i stated that i was NOT ASKING WHICH ART IS BETTER! I just wanted to know the population of the people who prefer boxing/muay thai to compliment jiu jitsu. I wanted to know their reasons, their theories as to why they think they were more comfortable with it. In addition, if ur saying that i am a theory fighter,,,and if ur telling me to STFU and "actually train and try things out" YOU SHOULD STFU AND LEARN TO READ! the first post clearly states that i DO TRAIN BJJ TOOK BOXING BEFORE BJJ...and NOW GOING TO LEARN MUAY THAI. again, i was just wondering about peoples experiences...so stop trying to be such a smart ass, coz this forum is just full of pricks and smart asses...even more than "theory fighters"

 

[vince89]

Dude, my post and other posts Ive made here basically say - its not the style that makes the fighter. Theres like 20 threads a day with people asking which one is better, which is more suitable, which ones blend together better - as if theyre trying to make a cake or something. Why are people so concerned with all this crap, just STFU and train.

If I lived in a place that had BJJ, Boxing, Muay Thai, Judo, Wrestling I would train every single one. Its called MIXED martial arts, yet so many people are still hung up on which styles are better.

There are so many professional MMA fighters now, and theyve all shown that all the combat sport 'styles' are legit. So just STFU and train.

People are looking for the magic pill, they think if they spend hours on forums picking and analysing the best styles - then they go to a couple classes and they'll magically become a good fighter. Doesnt work like that buddy. Even if you take BJJ, a guy who does Judo or Sambo with more experience and training will destroy you on the ground. Its only the top level BJJ guys that are consistently superior. Are you ever gonna get to that top level? Doubtful. So its not relevant to you.

 

[D Train]

I think the correcct formula is:
MMA = BJJ (or Judo) + MT + Boxing + Wrestling + transition game.

 

[quikkick]

The correct formula= anything you please as long as you train to perfection!

 

[D Train]

The correct formula= anything you please as long as you train to perfection!

Not really.

 

[BabyRj**]

Well, it depends on your goals, if you just wanna practice martial arts in general, then do whatever you enjoy.

But for MMA think of the most practical styles with the reasonable learning curves.

 

[vu]

Here's my opinion of creating a well-rounded game...

1) Find out what's available to you
2) Find out which gyms/schools offer the best instruction
3) Go and train your ass off and get a strong base in some sort of striking, some sort of clinch, some sort of ground work
4) Experiment and adapt from there

There are plenty of people who have base styles that aren't necessarily complimentary to styles they cross-train in...but they just make it work...Let's take a look at Lyoto Machida...Shotokan Karate and BJJ don't really seem to go together really well...but he makes it work...

Ultimately here's what I think happens...standup, clinch, and ground just end up kinda "looking the same" regardless of what style you have decided to blend...afterall, given an infinite amount of time to do an infinite amount of experimentation, we'll all find the most efficient ways of doing things...

I think the current state of MMA is doing a very good job of that...specialists have taken what they do best and added things to compliment their game...in the end, everybody's basically throwing the same punches/kicks/knees/elbows, everybody's learning basically the same takedowns and positioning, and everybody's working for basically the same subs from those positions...it's just a matter of strategy/gameplanning based upon each individuals' attributes...

 

[skza]

MMA = Wrestling with strikes and submissons, nah mma is it's own thing

 

[drumerdud]

Dude, my post and other posts Ive made here basically say - its not the style that makes the fighter. Theres like 20 threads a day with people asking which one is better, which is more suitable, which ones blend together better - as if theyre trying to make a cake or something. Why are people so concerned with all this crap, just STFU and train.

If I lived in a place that had BJJ, Boxing, Muay Thai, Judo, Wrestling I would train every single one. Its called MIXED martial arts, yet so many people are still hung up on which styles are better.

There are so many professional MMA fighters now, and theyve all shown that all the combat sport 'styles' are legit. So just STFU and train.

People are looking for the magic pill, they think if they spend hours on forums picking and analysing the best styles - then they go to a couple classes and they'll magically become a good fighter. Doesnt work like that buddy. Even if you take BJJ, a guy who does Judo or Sambo with more experience and training will destroy you on the ground. Its only the top level BJJ guys that are consistently superior. Are you ever gonna get to that top level? Doubtful. So its not relevant to you.

hey retard! ur still not getting my point are u. My post was to see what people thought of.

Oh and I told u i DO TRAIN in bjj boxing and muay thai..if there was a good wrestling school i WOULD join..so shutup about ur "thats why its called mixed martial arts" and wat the fuck is up with ur attack on...are u ever gonna get to that top level?DOUBTFUL? ARE YOU!?? AM I???!! who knows..but i know i train my ass off everyday, i know i just won 4 bronze medals in my local tournament (gi- my division, absolute, nogi- my division absolute) despite the fact that ive only been training jiu jitsu for 6 months..and that was my first competition. Does this make me a god in jiu jitsu? hell no...but i KNOW i will get better, and hopefully get to that level. And for ur information, i won against a judoka on the way to the semi's.so YOU STFU. Im done with u, ur a waste of time, and dont bother replying coz im not going to reply and waste any more time with u, until u learn how to read, and hasnt ur parents ever taught u not to judge people, u never know what their capabilities are. if u really want to knw, give me a pm, ill show u a vid of my fight, and just to prove to u that it IS me, ill give u my facebook and or friendster account. ill even put a new pic giving u the finger. hows that?