MMA isn't mixed martial arts anymore

[JumJum]

At the beginning it started to see which is the ultimate martial art but now things completely changed. While most of today champions trained other martial art at early age the majority of the next gen of UFC fighters will surely train solely MMA at childhood. Also their are many aspects and moves from other martial arts that are completely useless in MMA. Other stuff like ground and pound and cage grappling are only found in MMA.

Overall today MMA is a complete system of martial art of it's own. Kinda weird it's still called MMA and not pankration or something.

 

[Kwic]

It's time we introduce weapons like swords, knives etc.

 

[TerrorTimmy]

So let me get this straight here. You're saying that the mixing of traditional martial arts is somehow not "Mixed Martial Arts"?

Is that what we're saying here?

 

[thehighking]

I don't think so. Someone who's been competing at a high level in a particular martial art is going to have advantages over a lot of their competitors in MMA. I don't think a fighter can get as good at boxing as the best boxers if they aren't competing in boxing, and likewise for other disciplines. I think the tradition of having 'a base' is here to stay.

 

[JumJum]

So let me get this straight here. You're saying that the mixing of traditional martial arts is somehow not "Mixed Martial Arts"?

Is that what we're saying here?

I just explained why it's not anymore a mixture of other martial arts. MMA Stances, ground and pound and lots of other stuff is only existing in MMA. Which in other words making it to be a complete system of its own.

 

[JumJum]

I don't think so. Someone who's been competing at a high level in a particular martial art is going to have advantages over a lot of their competitors in MMA. I don't think a fighter can get as good at boxing as the best boxers if they aren't competing in boxing, and likewise for other disciplines. I think the tradition of having 'a base' is here to stay.

You see it mostly because MMA is too young sport. Also there are many athletes from other sports who transitioned to MMA and failed badly. The reason so many UFC fighters look so bad in boxing is because it's different sport which requires different skillset plus they didn't took it seriously and trained enough time. If Canelo will fight in the UFC without having lots of training he will look just as bad.

 

[TerrorTimmy]

I just explained why it's not anymore a mixture of other martial arts. MMA Stances, ground and pound and lots of other stuff is only existing in MMA. Which in other words making it to be a complete system of its own.

So...martial arts have blended together to create something new, but somehow that blend of martial arts is...not...Mixed Martial Arts.

You're really going to die on this hill?

 

[JumJum]

So...martial arts have blended together to create something new, but somehow that blend of martial arts is...not...Mixed Martial Arts.

You're really going to die on this hill?

Sambo created as a mixture of wrestling judo and others. Jujitsu also was created as variant of judo. There are many martial arts that are mixtures of others. However once it's becoming to be distinguished and it's own system it's a new martial art of it's own

 

[shunyata]

Sambo created as a mixture of wrestling judo and others. Jujitsu also was created as variant of judo. There are many martial arts that are mixtures of others. However once it's becoming to be distinguished and it's own system it's a new martial art of it's own

Buddy, Judo was literally a style born out of competitive jiujitsu where practitioners of multiple jiujitsu schools trained together in a sport setting at the Kodokan.

You can argue that Brazilian Jiujitsu evolved out of Judo and Luta Livre, but Jiujitsu is much older than Judo.




As for your original topic, while MMA is becoming it's own umbrella of styles (can't really even call it one style, there are many diverse styles that work at high levels) I would disagree that it's no longer mixed martial arts. It's still mixed. We still have specialists, but everyone needs a certain minimum level of training in kickboxing, jiu jitsu, and wrestling or the holes in their game will be exploited.

 

[JohnPJones]

In the beginning it started off as a marketing scheme for Gracie jiujitsu.
That’s all it was

 

[JohnPJones]

At the beginning it started to see which is the ultimate martial art but now things completely changed. While most of today champions trained other martial art at early age the majority of the next gen of UFC fighters will surely train solely MMA at childhood. Also their are many aspects and moves from other martial arts that are completely useless in MMA. Other stuff like ground and pound and cage grappling are only found in MMA.

Overall today MMA is a complete system of martial art of it's own. Kinda weird it's still called MMA and not pankration or something.

Bruh we’re 30 years in…if we were going to see pure MMA pedigreed fighters being successful in large numbers, we’d likely see it by now.

having a solid background in one style provides an advantage being pure MMA never can.

 

[JumJum]

Buddy, Judo was literally a style born out of competitive jiujitsu where practitioners of multiple jiujitsu schools trained together in a sport setting at the Kodokan.

You can argue that Brazilian Jiujitsu evolved out of Judo and Luta Livre, but Jiujitsu is much older than Judo.




As for your original topic, while MMA is becoming it's own umbrella of styles (can't really even call it one style, there are many diverse styles that work at high levels) I would disagree that it's no longer mixed martial arts. It's still mixed. We still have specialists, but everyone needs a certain minimum level of training in kickboxing, jiu jitsu, and wrestling or the holes in their game will be exploited.

You can say same thing about soccer. It's super varied. You have many positions and strategies. Each player is better at something else, even if you aren't the best dribbler you can be a monster at tackling with messi being special that he is talented at so many different aspects. It doesn't making soccer to be a mixed sport. Being super varied and each athlete being different is why MMA is so interesting.

Instead of calling it jiujitsu and kickboxing you can simply call it striking and grappling. Some fighters are specialists at one aspect while average at the others. And then you have fighters like GSP and Demetrious that are amazing at everything . If you would ever go to MMA gym usually we have striking grappling and clinching training at different days. No need to go to jiujitsu and Muay Thai gyms

 

[JumJum]

Bruh we’re 30 years in…if we were going to see pure MMA pedigreed fighters being successful in large numbers, we’d likely see it by now.

having a solid background in one style provides an advantage being pure MMA never can.

The first 10 years it was seen as circus or freak show mostly. Only recently it started to get taken seriously around the world. And let's not even talk about building the next generation of kids who train MMA. It was even illegal in lots of countries just 5 years ago lol. The most obvious thing is that if you want to be the best MMA fighter you need to train MMA from 10 years old not wrestling or boxing lol. It just now that lots of kids start to train it.

 

[JohnPJones]

The first 10 years it was seen as circus or freak show mostly. Only recently it started to get taken seriously around the world. And let's not even talk about building the next generation of kids who train MMA. It was even illegal in lots of countries just 5 years ago lol. The most obvious thing is that if you want to be the best MMA fighter you need to train MMA from 10 years old not wrestling or boxing lol. It just now that lots of kids start to train it.

no, if you want to be the best MMA fighter you need to be the best at something instead of kinda good at everything.

Purebred MMA guys will get their asses kicked standing up against life long strikers, and tapped out on the ground by lifelong grapplers, and in the end they’ll still be better at one aspect than another, but won’t have the pedigree or time to focus on that one aspect they already are doing better at.

what places was MMA illegal 5 years ago?

you can make up whatever excuse you want, but MMA has been massive and mainstream for nearly 20 years, plenty of time for 2-3 generations of pure bred MMA dudes to have come in and cleaned up if your theory were true, but that’s not what’s happened the best of the best have a deep specific background.

 

[JumJum]

no, if you want to be the best MMA fighter you need to be the best at something instead of kinda good at everything.

Purebred MMA guys will get their asses kicked standing up against life long strikers, and tapped out on the ground by lifelong grapplers, and in the end they’ll still be better at one aspect than another, but won’t have the pedigree or time to focus on that one aspect they already are doing better at.

what places was MMA illegal 5 years ago?

you can make up whatever excuse you want, but MMA has been massive and mainstream for nearly 20 years, plenty of time for 2-3 generations of pure bred MMA dudes to have come in and cleaned up if your theory were true, but that’s not what’s happened the best of the best have a deep specific background.

So by your logic if my dream is to play for Chelsea i should focus solely on golf first at early age because golf will teach me many stuff that soccer can't.

Also MMA striking and grappling is very different then boxing and jiujitsu. You seriously think that someone who trained from 7 years old in ATT (which only established at 2001 and i don't know when they got building the next gen of MMA fighters program and if they have one now) will get he's ass kicked by someone who transitioned from wrestling to MMA few years ago despite that the ATT guy trained MMA grappling and striking at the highest level since yearly age?

until recently there was no many high level MMA gyms around the world and 20 years ago it was even worse especially for training kids at the highest level.

It was illegal in New York, France and other countries. It's still illegal in Norway and others. So if you're a France kid you couldn't even train MMA properly until recently. So it's obvious why we didn't see yet pure MMA fighter from childhood

 

[Rolento]

Dana white invented karate

 

[Sanserif]

I think I understand what the OP is saying. What he means I believe is that MMA started out pittimg different martial arts against each other and it progressed to where people cross trained in different martial arts to erase vital holes in their fight game but as time went by, instead of being an atria where the best martial artist of all proved his mastery of unarmed combat, MMA has instead become a standardised martial arts system of its own thanks toothed effect of the MMA cage rules. The rize of MMA gyms and the business of MMA meant that the most effective system and culture that vild win according to those rules qnd the environment of the octagon meant the universalisation of one common mma culture and approach that typically consists of elements of boxing, muay thai, and wrestling that are best suited to rhe mma rules fused into a system of its own.

As a result people without any MA background are now training expressly in MMA form the start, and many MMA athletes are training in MMA exclusively.

If it were different, we would have seen much more diverse fighting styles on display in the octagon. Instead we see fighters almost always fighting the same way and the same style against each other.

 

[JohnPJones]

So by your logic if my dream is to play for Chelsea i should focus solely on golf first at early age because golf will teach me many stuff that soccer can't.

Also MMA striking and grappling is very different then boxing and jiujitsu. You seriously think that someone who trained from 7 years old in ATT (which only established at 2001 and i don't know when they got building the next gen of MMA fighters program and if they have one now) will get he's ass kicked by someone who transitioned from wrestling to MMA few years ago despite that the ATT guy trained MMA grappling and striking at the highest level since yearly age?

until recently there was no many high level MMA gyms around the world and 20 years ago it was even worse especially for training kids at the highest level.

It was illegal in New York, France and other countries. It's still illegal in Norway and others. So if you're a France kid you couldn't even train MMA properly until recently. So it's obvious why we didn't see yet pure MMA fighter from childhood

Bro you’re not even trying to argue in good faith.
Yes striking and grappling for MMA is different than in pure striking and grappling sports, yet a dude who spent 10 years getting a blackbelt in BJJ will out grappling a pure MMA guy in an MMA fight, while still probably have roughly the same level of striking.

you literally have nothing to support your claim.
The vast majority of successful MMA fighters will be people with single, individual styles for a background

 

[JohnPJones]

I think I understand what the OP is saying. What he means I believe is that MMA started out pittimg different martial arts against each other and it progressed to where people cross trained in different martial arts to erase vital holes in their fight game but as time went by, instead of being an atria where the best martial artist of all proved his mastery of unarmed combat, MMA has instead become a standardised martial arts system of its own thanks toothed effect of the MMA cage rules. The rize of MMA gyms and the business of MMA meant that the most effective system and culture that vild win according to those rules qnd the environment of the octagon meant the universalisation of one common mma culture and approach that typically consists of elements of boxing, muay thai, and wrestling that are best suited to rhe mma rules fused into a system of its own.

As a result people without any MA background are now training expressly in MMA form the start, and many MMA athletes are training in MMA exclusively.

If it were different, we would have seen much more diverse fighting styles on display in the octagon. Instead we see fighters almost always fighting the same way and the same style against each other.

Even by that metric, MMA isn’t its own style.

 

[JumJum]

Bro you’re not even trying to argue in good faith.
Yes striking and grappling for MMA is different than in pure striking and grappling sports, yet a dude who spent 10 years getting a blackbelt in BJJ will out grappling a pure MMA guy in an MMA fight, while still probably have roughly the same level of striking.

you literally have nothing to support your claim.
The vast majority of successful MMA fighters will be people with single, individual styles for a background

I just explained to you that the only reason so many current champions don't have pure MMA background is because MMA is so young. In 2004 most people didn't even know what is MMA unlike today.

By the way GSP background, who is top 5 grappler ever ,is karate. So if we go by your logic if i want to become wrestiling gold medalist i should train karate