MMA Could Never Survive Without Elements Of Pro Wrestling

[Blackjack]

That's because MMA is more similar to pro wrestling than the sports are. In combatsports, especially pro wrestling (and face it, MMA is basically pro wrestling without a predetermined outcome). For years before MMA existed, pro wrestling fans would dream of getting the opportunity to get to see their favorite pro wrestlers fight each other for real.

MMA isn't like tennis or baseball or basketball. The intent in MMA is to cause your opponent pain and to damage his body. It's such a primal, violent sport that aesthetics, the most beautiful plays or maneuvers are not what seems this sport to the fans. The fans want to see two fighters who have some sort of a personal difference who will finally get to settle that difference in The Octagon.

So, how does the audience decide who to cheer for and who to boo for? What is their reason for even caring who wins? There isn't a hometown team to cheer for as in most big sports, so how do you get the fans to care who wins and who loses? How do you keep them from being so indifferent about who wins and who loses that they don't just stay home? The way you make the audience care about the fighters is through their personalities!

 

[dildos]

MMA can't survive without peds more like it.

Boo usada boo.

 

[USAUSA1]

Fake ass shit

 

[20falarVerdades]

reported

 

[TheScorpionDude]

Greed and megalomania wouldn't survive not MMA.

MMA would be perfectly fine if everyone made 4-5 mil career wise, the promoter 10-20 mil, everyone would be rich and happy.

But noooooo, they have to try and conquer the fucking world or some shit, become billionaires, only to die without spending the money.

The world is so fucked up it's insane.

 

[EGarrett]

This is basically what PRIDE was. It looked similar to the UFC, but the UFC grew out of Vale Tudo in Brazil, via the Gracie's, which started out as underground real fighting and became more and more like a show, while PRIDE grew out of strong-style pro wrestling, via Antonio Inoki, where fights started out as a show and became less and less fake.

 

[Final Say]

That's because MMA is more similar to pro wrestling than the sports are. In combatsports, especially pro wrestling (and face it, MMA is basically pro wrestling without a predetermined outcome). For years before MMA existed, pro wrestling fans would dream of getting the opportunity to get to see their favorite pro wrestlers fight each other for real.

MMA isn't like tennis or baseball or basketball. The intent in MMA is to cause your opponent pain and to damage his body. It's such a primal, violent sport that aesthetics, the most beautiful plays or maneuvers are not what seems this sport to the fans. The fans want to see two fighters who have some sort of a personal difference who will finally get to settle that difference in The Octagon.

So, how does the audience decide who to cheer for and who to boo for? What is their reason for even caring who wins? There isn't a hometown team to cheer for as in most big sports, so how do you get the fans to care who wins and who loses? How do you keep them from being so indifferent about who wins and who loses that they don't just stay home? The way you make the audience care about the fighters is through their personalities!

Shhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiitttttttttt

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[Lemmy]

MMA didn't invent combat sports, they altready existed and they did good without going full circus.
prowrestling needs fake drama because the fake fights in the ring alone aren't enough.

 

[Lemmy]

This is basically what PRIDE was. It looked similar to the UFC, but the UFC grew out of Vale Tudo in Brazil, via the Gracie's, while PRIDE grew out of strong-style pro wrestling, via Antonio Inoki, where fights just got less and less fake over time.

Pride had some freak matches and prowrestleresque entrances but the low of today trash talk\fake feuds\fake drama is on another level.
and i consider this way to sell fights truly "prowrestleresque", because the fighters basically has started to use gimmick.

 

[Stillmyboy1]

It's funny how a lot of people on here shit on pro wrestling but a lot of top level athletes and legit tough guys who could do well come from pro wrestling (Brock Lesnar, Bobby Lashley, hhh) are all fighters who were in pro wrestling.

 

[Blackjack]

Greed and megalomania wouldn't survive not MMA.

MMA would be perfectly fine if everyone made 4-5 mil career wise, the promoter 10-20 mil, everyone would be rich and happy.

But noooooo, they have to try and conquer the fucking world or some shit, become billionaires, only to die without spending the money.

The world is so fucked up it's insane.

There is no way to justify giving every fighter the same salary. It's unfair to the fighters who bring in most of the revenue to pay them the same as if they only brought in 5% as much money. you're advocating destroying incentive.

 

[TrumanBurbank]

Agreed.

It's so boring without Conor right now.

Shit card after shit card is sapping my soul

 

[Blackjack]

MMA didn't invent combat sports, they altready existed and they did good without going full circus.
prowrestling needs fake drama because the fake fights in the ring alone aren't enough.

There is no such thing as "fake drama." MMA needs drama because all too often the fights are boring to all bit the most hardcore fans. If all they do is try to please that small group fans, they would make next to no money.

 

[HuskySamoan]

I think people underrate the potential in dissolving the PPV market and striving towards globalization of mixed martial arts. If you look at the popularity of guys like Jacare Souza or Jose Aldo in their respective countries of Brazil, or guys like Mairbek Taisumov in Chechnya, Khabib in Russia, Mamed Khalidov in Poland? Krystof Jotko could be huge in Poland too if they promoted him right, Mataeusz Gamrot? it's huge but these guys aren't PPV draws ( because there's no fucking pay per views outside of North and Latin America ).

Also getting away from the PPV model would make it a lot easier to build stars and sign elite talent from other countries like Russia, Korea, Japan, Armenia etc which in turn would create a bigger culture boom of mixed martial arts in these countries and lead to more talent in the world period.

The PPV market fucks over Boxing too, all the major promotions are American based, they pander to English and Spanish speaking demographics. A lot of South East Asian champions get no attention and relative small pay days. Most of the best south east asian boxers stay amateur because they make more money and get more fame from being medalists than pros in the current state of boxing. Same can be said for people from places like China, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and only recently has Boxing allowed Russian's and Eastern Europeans a somewhat fair shake at the world championship stage and what's happened? They have dominated from Middleweight to Heavyweight for the last decade....Dat Ex-Soviet block ain't no joke. Anyways I fear MMA is following this ignorant trend boxing did for the sake of money, but there's real potential in global MMA and getting away from the PPV market I really believe it, unfortunately humans don't like change and only are willing when forced to. So support MMA by illegal streaming I guess is what I'm saying?

 

[chinarice]

Fake ass shit

Are these always your comments when someone talks about Family Guy, Simpsons, Star Wars, Southpark Fast and the Furious, etc.?

Pro-wrestling is a scripted TV show, just like those are scripted tv shows/movies. You're welcome for the groundbreaking information.

 

[Blackjack]

This is basically what PRIDE was. It looked similar to the UFC, but the UFC grew out of Vale Tudo in Brazil, via the Gracie's, which started out as underground real fighting and became more and more like a show, while PRIDE grew out of strong-style pro wrestling, via Antonio Inoki, where fights started out as a show and became less and less fake.

Clearly there is a connection between pro wrestling and NHB/MMA and you just proved examples of it. If nothing was needed except legitimate matches, pro wrestling, which started out as a shoot, never would have switched to being a work. The reason they switched to working their matches is because they made more money that way. Fans had become bored with the shoot matches.

 

[chinarice]

It's funny how a lot of people on here shit on pro wrestling but a lot of top level athletes and legit tough guys who could do well come from pro wrestling (Brock Lesnar, Bobby Lashley, hhh) are all fighters who were in pro wrestling.

I've come to the conclusion that the people who say "pro-wrestling is fake", like it's some groundbreaking thing, are equally as dumb as the people who think it's real.

 

[Blackjack]

So support MMA by illegal streaming I guess is what I'm saying?

Support MMA by breaking the law? Support MMA by taking the fruits of the labor of the workers and not compensating them for their work? That's a sure way to kill any business, not just MMA.

 

[EGarrett]

Clearly there is a connection between pro wrestling and NHB/MMA and you just proved examples of it. If nothing was needed except legitimate matches, pro wrestling, which started out as a shoot, never would have switched to being a work. The reason they switched to working their matches is because they made more money that way. Fans had become bored with the shoot matches.

I watched a documentary in the late 90's (I believe it was called "the unreal story of professional wrestling,") that went into all of this. IIRC the shoot matches had no time limits and would degenerate into guys laying on each other for hours which hurt the appeal too.

 

[HuskySamoan]

Support MMA by breaking the law? Support MMA by taking the fruits of the labor of the workers and not compensating them for their work? That's a sure way to kill any business, not just MMA.

Quote the satire out of context, then respond to it. Oh my god you're so clever, did you just invent that or have idiots been doing it for ages?