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Every time after a good blood choke (not to the point where I'm unconscious) I would often feel sleepy or drowsy for 3 - 4 days. Being a graduate student pursuing a degree in Neuroscience research, it's something that I need to take into consideration.

I understand that there is little evidence supporting any permanent damage done with chokes (there are publications on g-lock, judo, and breath holding competitions that back up this statement). However, I wonder if there might be some disturbance to the brain's blood regulation system or some cellular changes that could cause revisable neurological symptoms (pressure on the bareceptor and vagus nerve over the neck).

I was wondering if anyone have ever experienced the feeling of drowsiness after being choked several times during rolling section?

Any reply would be greatly appreciated!
 
I agree with gannas. If you know its a problem, just tap early. Maybe your body isn't made for getting choked. I've never heard of this before. But without seeing you get into the position, its hard to say if you wait to long or its just how your body reacts.

Get checked by a doctor. Then if they don't find anything wrong, either tap really early, or, sucks to say, but quit. Not worth feeling like crap for 3-4 days.

Personally, I have had times where I almost go out, like a split second before and the guy lets go in time, I've felt kinda strange the rest of the day. But nothing beyond that so far.
 
yup each person is different, personally I can hold off chokes pretty well but thinks like shoulder locks I tap early too because I have tight shoulders.

Another thing to note is that the longer you train the better your body becomes at dealing with the stressors of training. If you havent been training long you will probably tap to things like knee on belly pressure or mount pressure if applied correctly. As you train more and the years go by you will notice that you wont tap to that stuff at all or as often.
 
csrichie said:
Every time after a good blood choke (not to the point where I'm unconscious) I would often feel sleepy or drowsy for 3 - 4 days. Being a graduate student pursuing a degree in Neuroscience research, it's something that I need to take into consideration.

I understand that there is little evidence supporting any permanent damage done with chokes (there are publications on g-lock, judo, and breath holding competitions that back up this statement). However, I wonder if there might be some disturbance to the brain's blood regulation system or some cellular changes that could cause revisable neurological symptoms (pressure on the bareceptor and vagus nerve over the neck).

I was wondering if anyone have ever experienced the feeling of drowsiness after being choked several times during rolling section?

Any reply would be greatly appreciated!
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I'd be concerned that you're taking a lot of jugular chokes and letting pressure build inside your brain. You might have an unusually shaped neck.

Do the chokes feel pressurey or do they feel like you're blacking out?

If you had to give them a color, would it be grey or red?
 
Doesn't sound right at all. Especially if you didn't go out. Maybe your just exhausted from working out?
 
Hmm I been choked a lot and I'm the type of guy (unfortunately) who doesn't really tap unless he needs to. That being said, I never feel sleepy or drowsy for days at a time because of chokes. I might feel a little dizzy right after (or for a few minutes after) but thats it really.

Go see a doctor
 
Being a student in neuroscience you have to know you need to see a doctor. However I would caution the family medicine and go for the neurologist.

Ive been doing BJJ for some time and not have heard people having these problems.

I myself am good to keep rolling after 3 or 4 seconds, and I think this is kinda common place (look at Mir vs Big Nog)

I have read some (but there are very few) articles done on choking. A lot of it is done by Kinisiologists instead of neurologists. One thing I would be concerned with if a person has a weakness in their vascular structure in their brain and after a few dozen times of severe increase of pressure (choking) if this does not cause a stroke or some other more serious medical condition.

If some does BJJ and they ave a natural weakness on their shoulder it becomes evident very quickly. I am unsure about how something like this could manifest itself.
 
I have it sometimes for 1 or 2 days, it happens when i haven't rolled in a while , when i role more frequently it doesn't occur.
 
I've never experienced that at all, sounds like your brain is probably broken
 
Once the pressure of the choke is relived blood flow should go back to normal almost instantly. If you're experiencing problems for 3 or 4 days I'd assume that there is something else causing the problems that is somehow aggravated by getting choked. A doctor will be able to give you better answers.
 
do some neck workout to strength your neck!maybe this will help you to not have your problem! especially the sternocleidomastoid muscle which protects the brachial plexus! try this!

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I'd be freaking out if I didn't feel right 3-4 minutes after a choke. If I'm still dazed 3-4 days later then I'm seeing a doctor.
 
Most of us agree that this is not normal. You probably need to do a cerebral angiography. There is always the chance of an carotid artery dissection or a pre-existing vascular malformation.

Or maybe you're just too slow to tap of course...
 
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thanks for all the replies! The symptoms doesn't seem to effect my cognitive ability as much as it does with my alertness and focus. I'll request a CT scan with my doctor soon after the new years.

To answer, mixmaster staph, I believe it has to do with repeated jugular blockage and increase in pressure in the brain - I feel pressure when my head is positioned upside down. However, I think it might also have something to do with the stimulation to my vagus nerve.
 
csrichie said:
To answer, mixmaster staph, I believe it has to do with repeated jugular blockage and increase in pressure in the brain - I feel pressure when my head is positioned upside down. However, I think it might also have something to do with the stimulation to my vagus nerve.
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It could be a sinus infection. Would you recognize it if it was?
 
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. If you study neurology you should know how limited research in that field still is. Maybe just err on the side of caution and tap when someone has you in a submission.
 
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